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Originally Posted by Bulletproof Monk
How about..."I accept the courts offer to have me pay the alledged debt upon proof of claim that there is any lawful money in circulation, backed by anything of substance with which to pay it!"
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BP
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I don't think I would argue about money creation if I were defending myself as a debtor... the courts don't listen to that argument, and they label defendants who present it as "money protestors". They'll find some way to ignore it or disqualify it and slam-dunk you.
I'd focus on making them prove their claim. In addition to insisting that they produce the original contract with wet ink signature(s), I might insist that the plaintiff PROVE that they were damaged... that they actually lost an amount of money which already existed and which belonged to them before they "lent" it. That would not be easy, because I've heard that they seek protective orders to avoid revealing the source of the money, and it would be a major fight to get the judge to compel production. My personal opinion is that
IF the bank
could prove that they honestly lent previously existing assets, they would do so in a heartbeat instead of seeking a protective order. But they've been fighting this argument for years now, and they know when it's coming... so do the judges.
If you want to stand up and fight this, you have to thoroughly comprehend the pertinent information, study the issues, and be prepared.
Understand it for yourself... and understand the courtroom process and the purpose and function of legal motions and pleadings. I'm afraid that anyone who thinks they can just charge several thousand bucks on a credit card to pay for some Debt Elimination company to make it all go away for them is in for a VERY rude shock. That opposing attorney will do whatever they can to find a way to get you into that court, in person, under oath, in front of a judge whose unspoken bias is in favor of the creditors, and then put you on the spot and prove their weak case by getting all the answers they need out of you. If they catch you committing perjury, you will then be subject to criminal charges and they can pack you off to jail. Do not say "No" when the truth = "Yes". Two of the best honest answers might be: "I don't know" and "I don't remember".
Did you use the credit card? (How long ago was this supposed to have happened? Do you really remember using it? Ask them to produce the signed CC slips to prove that you did.)
Did you make monthly payments? (Do you remember making any payments? Ask them to produce the cancelled checks to prove that you did.)
Did you stop making monthly payments? (How do you know if you stopped if you don't remember making any payments in the first place? Ask them to prove that you stopped.)
When did you stop making payments? (Can you remember when you stopped if you can't remember paying?)
Did you buy a ________ with this credit card? (Do you remember?)
Did you make these Credit Card charges? (Do you remember?)
Did you apply for a credit card? (Do you remember?)
(... and so forth....)
You have to learn what evidence the plaintiff may or may not possess against you - that's what discovery is for, and you can do it as soon as the Summons is served on you. Learn about Requests for Admission, Interrogatories, and Requests for Production. Defending yourself is no cakewalk... despite what the DE scammers tell you. Just because
we believe that legalized counterfeiting is intrinsically wrong, it doesn't mean the creditor banks will just go away with their tails between their legs. They have a lot of profit and power at stake.
Once you've realized and understood that the Federal Reserve banks do create money out of thin air, and you've decided that you dislike the idea of repaying vapor money + interest with your labor and/or assets, it would be far wiser to join a credit union and borrow money
there if you must borrow...
or better yet, not to borrow at all any more.
Lawful money?
