Totaly Lost Going To Jail

[charlesa6]

Originally Posted by Taxeraser

If WE all accomplish this process on the same page...

NONE of us will end up in court - unless WE want to...

Study the UCC remedies - especially the 'Accepted for Value' and returned with a letter of 'Conditional Acceptance' joined with a 'Affidavit in Support of the CA'

LEARN this inside out!!!

STOP relying on any court!
(except to provide administrative judgment on your perfected certified default)

No doubt, you have to back it up, and stand behind it to defend it.

[ezrhythm]

Very well said, planetmark and Taxeraser!

[idknow]

Originally Posted by dadmoonbunny

I would suggest, with respect to David, that over your signature on the contract and ALL SUCH PAPERWORK that you add "Signed under duress".
By the way, Sui Juris is a latin term meaning (loosely) My Own Master. meaning you acknowledge no master but the creator.

Unfortunately, and with all due respect to those who do and dont believe that God is and that his son did;

the phrase "sui juris" cannot be rightfuly claimed or used by those of us who declare that we belong to God.

in other words, we who are disciples of christ are ransomed|bought with a price, translated/jurisdictionally changed from this world into and made citizens of Heaven (Ephesians)

What say the Members?

[fighting_father]

Yes she makes double my income, does the 'court' care.. NO

If the guidelines were fair from the beginning, then we would NOT be hearing these issues.
If the ‘court’ would stay out of our private lives, then we would NOT be hearing these issues.
If the system and the ‘court’ did not allow this coercion., extortion, and threats, then we would NOT be hearing these issues.
If the Women/Men had no system in place to put another human into poverty, then we would NOT be hearing these issues.

The system is designed for only one reason, to generate and create ‘money’, period.

It does not care about anything else, most children of the marriage who do not receive child support are NOT starving, my children live better than me.
Is it fair that divorced spouse’s children live better than a so called married couple’s children ?
Yes I believe that the children should have the same sort of life style they had when the parents were still married, most of them are trying to make ends meet.

Cutting the ends off is not the solution, it is a disgrace to the human race.

No other man/woman can tell another human what to do with their livelihood.
No man/woman can tell another human what to do with his/her earnings.
THIS IS CALLED POWER AND CORRUPTION !!!

Everyone is caught up in a corrupted system and they cannot think for themselves.
They are blinded by government lies and government benefits to keep them quite.

I said this before, most separated Fathers/ Mothers can support their children in one way or another. If they do not wish to, it is their loss, stop putting the children in the middle.
Don’t be fooled, this has nothing to do with the children.

The children are not a temple or a shrine, they are children and need guidance, not to be put before a parent.

How messed up is society that someone thinks they should strip a human of their rights, put them into poverty so that his/her children will have food on their table. SLAVERY comes to mind, which the children are being used to control others.

If the parent that wanted the children in their care so badly, then he/she should be able to support them no matter what.

I did for a very long time without a penny from the EX, I love my children and I would do anything to take care of them, not have someone else go into poverty so I can have a better life.

It is getting worse every year !!!
Wake up Shoonra and others that think the system is in place to benefit the human race.

As Napoleon Dynamite would say, “IDIOTS’.

ALL RIGHTS RESERVED AT ALL TIMES
NO LIABILITY ASSUMED

[Gannon White]

Originally Posted by fighting_father

Yes she makes double my income, does the 'court' care.. NO

If the guidelines were fair from the beginning, then we would NOT be hearing these issues.
If the ‘court’ would stay out of our private lives, then we would NOT be hearing these issues.
If the system and the ‘court’ did not allow this coercion., extortion, and threats, then we would NOT be hearing these issues.
If the Women/Men had no system in place to put another human into poverty, then we would NOT be hearing these issues.

The system is designed for only one reason, to generate and create ‘money’, period.

It does not care about anything else, most children of the marriage who do not receive child support are NOT starving, my children live better than me.
Is it fair that divorced spouse’s children live better than a so called married couple’s children ?
Yes I believe that the children should have the same sort of life style they had when the parents were still married, most of them are trying to make ends meet.

Cutting the ends off is not the solution, it is a disgrace to the human race.

No other man/woman can tell another human what to do with their livelihood.
No man/woman can tell another human what to do with his/her earnings.
THIS IS CALLED POWER AND CORRUPTION !!!

Everyone is caught up in a corrupted system and they cannot think for themselves.
They are blinded by government lies and government benefits to keep them quite.

I said this before, most separated Fathers/ Mothers can support their children in one way or another. If they do not wish to, it is their loss, stop putting the children in the middle.
Don’t be fooled, this has nothing to do with the children.

The children are not a temple or a shrine, they are children and need guidance, not to be put before a parent.

How messed up is society that someone thinks they should strip a human of their rights, put them into poverty so that his/her children will have food on their table. SLAVERY comes to mind, which the children are being used to control others.

If the parent that wanted the children in their care so badly, then he/she should be able to support them no matter what.

I did for a very long time without a penny from the EX, I love my children and I would do anything to take care of them, not have someone else go into poverty so I can have a better life.

It is getting worse every year !!!
Wake up Shoonra and others that think the system is in place to benefit the human race.

As Napoleon Dynamite would say, “IDIOTS’.

ALL RIGHTS RESERVED AT ALL TIMES
NO LIABILITY ASSUMED

In no way minimizing your rant, but you can thank the LOVING U.N. for all this feces you are wading through.

Go look up the U.N. charter entitled "Rights of the Child". This is where the stench comes from.

The child has many "rights". Take notice that "parents" are never mentioned. Also, if you, as provider, do not "provide" the "rights of the child"....well POY...the state will step in!.

Ask Mr. Harper how/why/what gives FEDERAL (non existent) government right to sign INTERNATIONAL treaties on your behalf?

That is what family law is based on....UN garbage.

If not clear on what is happening/agenda...look up first 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto.

There it is all in a nutshell.

(Keep in mind, UN was created by a communist.)

Most crappy law is derived from UN treaty in all commonwealth countries.

Read between the lines when reading UN "FLOWERY" feces publications.

They LOVE to refer to "THE STATE".

Read their Human Rights Charter...all Humans have RIGHTS except where prohibited by LAW/THE STATE. So, according to UN you have "rights" unless "the State" makes it "illegal".

Sweet deal!

UN is attempting to make RIGHTS into PRIVILEGES.

Gov't is doing the same.

In the spirit of your rant, does it all make sense?

Yes and no.

No from a common sense/justice point of view.

Yes,from a hidden agenda point of view. You are a man, therefore, very evil.

Overlay communism where the ultimate goal is to replace the family unit with the state and it all makes sense then.

There is a teensy book that is niggling in my head that you should read. It will probably make your underpants drop.

I can't think of title right now. Will post in when memory wakes up.

So in the spirit of your rant, I've added my rant, and I haven't even had my morning coffee!

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by fighting_father

Yes she makes double my income, does the 'court' care.. NO

If the guidelines were fair from the beginning, then we would NOT be hearing these issues.

Here are a few issues to consider.

Originally Posted by PerkinsOrder

The only evidence before this Court regarding the impact of the Guidelines on any cognizable group is the study of custody awards in 14 south Georgia counties between 1995-97 conducted by Kent Earhardt, J.D., Ph.D., which found that, in 82.2% of contested cases, custody was awarded to the mother. It follows, therefore, that a support obligation under the Guidelines was imposed on the fathers in those cases. Ehlers v. Ehlers, 264 Ga. 668 (1994). There has been no credible challenge to the methodology or the result of the Earnhardt study. Therefore, this Court finds that men are adversely impacted by the Guidelines as applied to a grossly disproportionate degree, which constitutes an impermissibly discriminatory effect on a group based upon their gender.

Originally Posted by fighting_father

If the ‘court’ would stay out of our private lives, then we would NOT be hearing these issues.

If the system and the ‘court’ did not allow this coercion., extortion, and threats, then we would NOT be hearing these issues.
If the Women/Men had no system in place to put another human into poverty, then we would NOT be hearing these issues.

The system is designed for only one reason, to generate and create ‘money’, period.

It does not care about anything else, most children of the marriage who do not receive child support are NOT starving, my children live better than me.
Is it fair that divorced spouse’s children live better than a so called married couple’s children ?
Yes I believe that the children should have the same sort of life style they had when the parents were still married, most of them are trying to make ends meet.

Cutting the ends off is not the solution, it is a disgrace to the human race.

Originally Posted by PerkinsOrder

The Guidelines adopted by Georgia as originally designed by the underlying economic study were intended only for welfare situations - the current use for all situations was not the intended purpose. The underlying facts of the presumptions - their application only in welfare situations and with constraints such as a low ceiling award limited in size to the amount of the welfare payment to the custodial parent - no longer exist. The presumptive percentages were based only on data for low-income cases and were extended without the benefit of data for non-welfare cases. In the current case, the percentages are applied beyond the amount needed for recovery of any welfare payment to the custodial parent that might have been made.

Emphasis added.

Originally Posted by fighting_father

No other man/woman can tell another human what to do with their livelihood.
No man/woman can tell another human what to do with his/her earnings.
THIS IS CALLED POWER AND CORRUPTION !!!

Everyone is caught up in a corrupted system and they cannot think for themselves.
They are blinded by government lies and government benefits to keep them quite.

I said this before, most separated Fathers/ Mothers can support their children in one way or another. If they do not wish to, it is their loss, stop putting the children in the middle.
Don’t be fooled, this has nothing to do with the children.

Originally Posted by PerkinsOrder

The Guidelines do not take into account the large tax-related child cost offsets the custodial parent receives. Custodial parents typically receive $200 to $350 per month in extra after-tax income just for having custody. These child-related tax benefits are head of household status, child exemptions, child tax credits, child care credits, and earned income credits. Both parents have an equal duty of support for the costs attributable to the children. Both parents are equally entitled to the cost offsets attributable to the same children but in proportion to their obligation. Not sharing the child-related tax benefits violates equal protection. Not sharing the tax benefits with both parents is an extraordinary benefit for the custodial parent and an extraordinary burden for the non-custodial parent.

Originally Posted by fighting_father

The children are not a temple or a shrine, they are children and need guidance, not to be put before a parent.

How messed up is society that someone thinks they should strip a human of their rights, put them into poverty so that his/her children will have food on their table. SLAVERY comes to mind, which the children are being used to control others.

If the parent that wanted the children in their care so badly, then he/she should be able to support them no matter what.

I did for a very long time without a penny from the EX, I love my children and I would do anything to take care of them, not have someone else go into poverty so I can have a better life.

It is getting worse every year !!!
Wake up Shoonra and others that think the system is in place to benefit the human race.

As Napoleon Dynamite would say, “IDIOTS’.

ALL RIGHTS RESERVED AT ALL TIMES
NO LIABILITY ASSUMED

Originally Posted by PerkinsOrder

Right to Privacy

While the source of the right to privacy has been held to originate in varying constitutional provisions, it has been long recognized to apply to "family" concerns whether the family exists within the confines of marriage or not. Eisenstadt v. Baird, 405 U.S. 438, 92 S. Ct. 1029 (8) (1972), Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113, 93 S. Ct. 705 at 726-28 (1973).

This Court finds that, by requiring the non-custodial parent to pay an amount in excess of those required to meet the child's basic needs, as the economic analysis has shown, the Guidelines impermissibly interfere with parental decisions regarding financial expenditures on children. Troxel v. Granville, 530 U.S. 57, 120 S. Ct. 2054 (2000) and 147 L. Ed. 2d 49 (U. S. 2000); Moylan v. Moylan, 384 NW 2d 859 at 866 (Minn., 1986).

http://www.guidelineeconomics.com/st...kinsOrder.html

Please consider using what the statues, court cases, constitutions provide, in order to pursue your case. The above is the thinking of one court. Perhaps you may look for similar rules in your state.

a judge agrees

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/court/...port#post87926

P.S. Thanks kgod999.

[jallen]

Hi, According to Rice McLeod you can simply fire them all. They have to have your consent to move against you. If you use their private statutes - so-called law you lose. You can not partake of their benefits and then claim you do not consent.

"If you represent me, or think you represent me, you are fired"

Rice says they have to stop representing you once you fire them. If you elect to go this route fire the judge first. The bailiff second, BOTH attorneys, clerk of court, and any other agents in the room. Be sure if any more persons enter the room you MUST fire them also immediately.

Rice's audios states that this works. In one case the woman was cuffed, placed in a back room until after 4PM and released.
jallen89@hotmail.com

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by jallen

Hi, According to Rice McLeod you can simply fire them all. They have to have your consent to move against you. If you use their private statutes - so-called law you lose. You can not partake of their benefits and then claim you do not consent.

"If you represent me, or think you represent me, you are fired"

Rice says they have to stop representing you once you fire them. If you elect to go this route fire the judge first. The bailiff second, BOTH attorneys, clerk of court, and any other agents in the room. Be sure if any more persons enter the room you MUST fire them also immediately.

Rice's audios states that this works. In one case the woman was cuffed, placed in a back room until after 4PM and released.
jallen89@hotmail.com

This method can lead to problems. Planetmark took the path that you suggested, it didn't turn out as well as it was hoped. I see no constitutional basis, or cases, to support the above position, thus, I believe it is flawed.

Please see this thread for more information:

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/genera...ight=Marksgirl

[jallen]

Quit pissing in the wind.

Today there are no 'courts' there is only administrative hearings overseen by a so-called judge/banker/intervener/third party debt collector.

There are no Judges, only administrative hearing officers who ONLY administer over contract disputes and will protect the system if possible.

Constitutions, statutes, codes, rules, regulations have no play in todays so-called courts unless they are specifically stated as a part of the actual contract in dispute. If it is not in the disputed contract it can not be seen or by the administrative hearing officer. You will be wasting your time, paper, funds for nothing except to help you lose. They only deal in commerce and contracts, not justice.

To attempt to bring in you imagined rights or fair play, or any issue outside of the contract in front of the hearing officer is pissing in the wind.

All this obsession and discussion about their so-called laws is dangerous to everyone, it can easily get you into jail/prison.

If you feel smarter by attempting to use their so-called laws do so, but you can not prevail when you are totally off point.

If you have been charged with anything and did not do an AFV/RFV (accepted for value/returned for value) within 3 days of receiving the offer they acquire a default at 10 days, you already lost before going to court as they already have a summary judgment against you, all their acts and motions are smoke and mirrors to distract the people from realizing the fraud they do on us.

If you do not know how to effectively overcome their army of criminals why not just stop it, do the AFV/RFV, if they send you more offers repeat the acceptance and always return their originals to them. In include a cover letter that states you 'fire' them and if they persist you will fine and bill them one million for violation of you copyright..


Why not 'FIRE' them all, end the problem instead of pretending you can fix it.

BOTH attorney are working together, there is extremely slim hope that the one who already has a default and summary judgment against them will prevail.

Get back to basic principles, they need your consent to proceed, don't give it nor allow the presumption to exist that you consent. FIRE THEM ALL.

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File as public notice with your county recorder into misc. records your:

Copyright Notice & Power of Attorney taking control of the strawman.

Specific Negative Averment a Denial of Corporate Existence.

Peace Declaration - that you are not the enemy you are presumed to be.

Posting and Fencing - notice to them to not come on your property.

File a UCC1 first in you birth state and if different with you present location state.


I have also created a one page 'Notice of Copyright and Contract Offer' accompanied by a one page list of 15 agencies/parties the notice is being sent to, included Mayor, sheriff, Police Chief, State Police, other state offices. This is filed into the county records to establish that my offer was made publicly before any offense occurs.

MY notice includes the filing number of the three filing of my copyright, birth state, location state, and prior copyright filing with the local County Clerk of Records.

The Notice states the 'fines' I will issue to them if any person choses to accept my offer to contract, and has LARGE amounts that WILL be 'billed' to ANY party using said copyright without my consent.

In case of any issuing summons or warrants I will be fining and billing the issuing Clerk at least one million dollars in presently circulating currency. I fully intend to cause the offender to compromise their bond and lose their job.


Use these statements in you documents:
"Notice to the agent is notice to the principle, Notice to the principle is notice to the agent. Equality under the law is paramount."

STOP playing with their 60million laws or including the common law (CL dies not have written laws) as they do not apply unless they are include in the written contract in dispute.

IT IS ALL CONTRACT ISSUES ONLY.

For those not yet studied in the redemption issues go to www.commonlawvenue.com then to blue button 'Documents' then to 'Redemption Manual' you will find the forms you need to do your filings. Also you will find Rice McLeod and Sam Kennedy MP3 audio files on that site.

There are many good teachers teaching 'Commercial Redemption' I find Rice McLeod to be straight to the point, states things in a way it is easily understood.

There are others I am familiar with, Winston Shrout, Sam Kennedy, Jordon Maxwell. I do not intend to imply any are better than the others. I have chosen Rice McLeod for his clarity.

jallen89@hotmail.com

[Akira-]

jallen,

Just one question...

How many times have you successfully done this?

Akira