Marriage License Revocation Thoughts/Help

[idknow]

Originally Posted by Mr Nuetron

Thanks for your response.If we got unmarried i just felt biblically we would need a pastor for the wedding and to sign in the family bible as a witness.I was reading in the texas rules of evidence that a marriage would be considered legal if written in a family bible.

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re hi hullew and greets from the Most High and his own son whom he raised from the dead for the adoption of many sons and daughters!

who's needed? you, your betrothed, both of your families, your neighborhood. (for witnessing that you and your betrothed have been joined together)

who's not needed? dead things, fictions, rules and regulations of Man that make the word of none effect.

There is no scripture in the context of marriage which says that someone need officate; you and your betrothed officiate.

- the guests sign a book, that's significant.

I cant think of anything else.

your anointed brother idknow

[idknow]

[quote=str8razor]

Originally Posted by weasel

Break it down for me:

What specifically about a marriage license puts a married couple at a disadvantage, or how does it empower the state?

some states dont accept common law marriages now. at one time they all did, when you get a marriage license you agree to the rules of the state in that marriage. the state rules over the marriage.

common law marriage,...the state donsnt rule squat! but these days they try to get around that with stuff like PAL O MONY etc...best to do a prenup and cover all the ground you plan to step on. i have been workin on mine for over a year now its deep but the better to cover my ass with.

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given what you all are teaching here and what i've learned from studying, i dont give a hoot what the state wants.

they are a fiction and I dont read fiction (in context, you know what I mean?)

it is written,
- "be ye not unequally yoked"
- "this corruptible has put on incorruptible"
- he who is dead is freed from sin. (the context is with regard to the OLD levi law)

[idknow]

[quote=str8razor]

Originally Posted by weasel

Break it down for me:

What specifically about a marriage license puts a married couple at a disadvantage, or how does it empower the state?

some states dont accept common law marriages now. at one time they all did, when you get a marriage license you agree to the rules of the state in that marriage. the state rules over the marriage.

common law marriage,...the state donsnt rule squat! but these days they try to get around that with stuff like PAL O MONY etc...best to do a prenup and cover all the ground you plan to step on. i have been workin on mine for over a year now its deep but the better to cover my ass with.

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the State has its law, statutes all based in commerical activity

and the world has its law, common law, which is concerned with commercial activity.

OUR law is god's word.

OUR economy is `give and it shall be given back, compressed and running over, overflow, and abundance'

OUR ways are not the world's ways - to adopt their ways is adultery.

it is such a perversion for a corporation (govt) to use subterfuge and deceit of langauge to manipulate private citizens to do their bidding. Companies dont marry, they merge. marry and merge dont mean the same thing, nor do they produce the same kind of "off spring"

which is another word that the world uses in its adulterated language to confuse

This is pissing me off.

The future Mrs Idknow is gonna be surprised i think
I hope she catches up quickly - pray!

[idknow]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

When I said "if their marriage ever had validity" I was referring to a basic fact of domestic relations law: Some people are not allowed to marry, or at least marry each other. And this also applies to common law marriage: A common law marriage, even in those states that still recognize common law marriage, can only take place between people who are eligible to marry each other.

Among the situations in which they could not marry each other are: consanguinity (differs from state to state, some allow first cousins to marry), one already married (including a common law marriage) and that marriage not yet legally dissolved, one or both below the legal age for marriage, etc. There may be some other impediments found in some states, not in others, such as the blood test showing an STD.

The point, before I completely forget it, is that if a marriage was formed between two people eligible to marry each other, then it has validity. It might even happen that it wasn't valid when begun but became valid later (e.g., a bigamous marriage at the time of the wedding, but the other spouse dies or obtains a divorce while this apparent second marriage is still going on, so that the two become married under common law - even if the bigamist thinks that his first marriage is still in existence and that his second marriage is still invalid). So that's why I say "if it was ever valid".

If the marriage was valid from the start or became valid later, the only way to dissolve it is with a court decree (separation or annulment, I don't think there's a third option). The courts have not allowed or recognized "common law divorces" even if the marriage itself was a common law marriage.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by a mistake that could invitiate a marriage; the ceremony usually requires a pledge of "for better or worse", which generally covers all the eventualities.

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i'm wondering what the source of "domestic" is?

could it be another one of those commercially defined words used in commerce and being applied to things outside its native jurisdiction?

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your anointed brother idknow

I will repost them in hopes of an answer.


The pledge of "for better or worse" is generally made to each spouse, not the state, correct?


Which brings up an interesting question: If the state claims to be a party in each marriage that has a license, wouldn't that make the state guilty of polygamy?

Just answer my question, if you would, on whether or not full disclosure is required for a valid contract.


Henry Franklin

[gldskr]

Shoonra

You are apparently confused regarding the effect of revocation of the marriage license application. When two people marry "legally" there are two contracts in place. One, between the parties to the marriage and two, between the parties and the state. When I revoke my signature on the marriage license app. it is the second contract that is being voided not the first. It is an adhesion contract that is void ab initio by the offeror (the state) for the reasons stated by HB, and is voidable by the offeree(me). A void contract can still be valid until it has been voided.

Contracting generally and marriage specifically are fundamental rights that may be regulated according to such. Namely, the regulation must be narrowly tailored and strictly construed. What the state may regulate re. marriage and/or divorce is limited to the capacity or subsequent actions (breach) of the parties as this relates to the granting of the marriage or divorce.

The terms of a contract - insofar as they are lawful - are superior to any laws. In an express contract does the state have the power to add, delete or alter the terms? In an implied contract does the state have the power to determine the terms contrary to the intent of the parties? The answer to both questions is obviously no.

The power of the state to regulate marriage/divorce through its labyrinth of statutes and codes is brought about by the marriage license application, whereby, the parties "apply" to be regulated and receive the "benefits" of such. Also, as you stated, only the courts (nowdays) can grant a divorce. But there are two kinds of divorce proceedings. The first is the administrative, "legal" dissolution of marriage governed solely by the dictates of the statutes and codes evidenced by the third party adhesion contract, the marrige license application. The second is the judicial (traditional) common law proceeding, where the fundamental nature of the contract is preserved, the divorce is only granted for cause and the terms of the divorce are mediated rather than dictated.

By revoking the marriage license application I have denied the state the power to adjudicate administratively.

[truthsrevealed]

Originally Posted by HenryBowman

Attached is a copy of what I filed, and a word document for editing.

Whatever state you are in, the case law will need to be searched to find out what case admits that there are 3 parties to a marriage contract, and inserted in your state.

This is just what I did. If you wish to use this, you are welcome to it.

I don't know how it would work in your situation, since you are heading towards divorce, but you may get some ideas from it.

Henry Franklin

I have been searching for a court case in California to reference in my form, I really don't now where to look. Can you help point me in the right direction? I was also wondering about I good notary? Any information you can direct me to would be very much appreciated! Thank you.