jury or no jury on a divorce case?

[scottinalaska]

Many answers need to be had, yes. MOST importantly, WHAT does the jury get to decide.
Something you said, gldsker, a dissolution instead of divorce.
This would need to be done on the private side with no lawyers. Darn!
The years of renegotiation could then be eliminated. Of course, the court ordered Mike to not have ANY contact with her(500 feet rule, etc), so a third party would have to convince her of this option. I am willing to be that third party, but need to research this a bit more to understand what I am gaining. One thing I can tell her is that competent witnesses will be present in court including past liasons, IF she wants to continue.
Mike told me today he'd just give her everything if he could "rescue" his kids who are trapsed all over from place to place to car to car.
scott

[idknow]

Originally Posted by scottinalaska

Yes, it can be proven with competent witnesses, BUT what does it result in?
Divorce certainly, but does anything rise to the occassion of kids or kash?

It would tend to rebut her allegations and impeach her words as untrustworthy. In a Trial by Jury, it would cast doubt in the minds of the Jurists.

[goldphoenix]

Hi all,

Cannot one revoke signature upon the instrument in question (marriage license) due to fraud leaving them (the court) no subject matter to move forward upon?

No contract equals no subject matter, right? or wrong?

goldphoenix

[gldskr]

scott

It appears that you are somewhat confused as to the ramifications of certain procedures and/or proceedings. A dissolution is not what your friend wants, and if he goes down that road he had better make sure that his supply of personal lube is adequate, as the third party interloper (the state) is gonna make sure he gets what he asked for good and hard. Everything he will present will be ignored and they will rule in their own best interests not his.

Divorce is the goal as it is based on common law, and from the info you have provided thus far, only he has cause to sue. But in order to get there all third party contracts and presumptions must be removed i.e. the marriage license and/or application. As long as he allows his marriage to be under the jurisdiction of the state, they will divide his children, property, income as they see fit regardless of any competent witnesses, superior evidence or testimony to the contrary. Dissolution is a rigged game, avoid it at all costs.

While I am 100% in favor of retaining the right to a jury, if it is all merely show than what is the point? If it appears that I am waffling you are correct, in that I don't have all the facts to make an informed conclusion.

But there is one thing I know for certain; I am a sovereign or I am a slave, there is no middle ground. I defend my rights or I succumb to the system, and it is your duty to inform your friend as to his choices.

Now, after reconsidering my reconsideration, it would seem that your friend has more important issues to attend to.

gldskr

[scottinalaska]

I just got done talking with the State appointed/funded attorney for the wife. He was very forthcoming.
On the 17th, they will have a court date to set the trial date. On that trial date, matters to be decided by the judge will be: Divorce, Child Custody, and Property. NO jury will be allowed due to it being a "family matter" BUT witnesses can be subpoened including the caseworker who has VERY obviously bumbled some evidence in her desperate attempt to make the wife look like the virgin Mary:
Hmmm, let's see.
Mike fills out all of the caseworker's required paperwork, gets 14 people to fill out a lengthy questionaire on his and his wife's competence or INcompetence as people and parents.
The wife never does get it filled out(noted in caseworker's report) and only manages to find TWO people to fill out the questionaire, and one of them is the state advocate looking to justify her grant-paid job!!
As is the pattern, the caseworker's recommendation is that the wife get the kids and the works. I won't go into the easily proved lies here, but believe we can confidently get her declared incompetent or the wife's formfillers as lying.
But the matter at hand, as gldskr has stated, is to revoke the marriage license soon. Any recommendations on that pattern of action? Simple revocation contract? link? thanks,

scottinalaska

[gldskr]

scott

As I had suspected your friend is going through a standard dissolution proceeding very similar to my present problem. Here is an analogy as to the probable outcome.

The kids are the gold > the gold needs to be guarded 24/7 > the gold has maintenance costs > If dad was/is a good provider he should pay all the maintenance costs > because dad is spending all his time providing he won't be able to guard so he will have to contract that duty > mom has lots of time to guard so she does the guarding > the guarding facilities are expensive and mom is a flake so dad should pay for the guarding facilities as well > dad needs to concentrate on providing so its best that he see his kids 2 days every other week

Variations of this scenario obviously exist , but this is the preferred standard everywhere in the country. Since the courts don't concern themselves with justice, fairness, best interests of the child, etc. they will do whatever is necessarry to justify their existence and perpetuate their fraud, in spite of your friends 14 letters and mom's incompetence. They don't give a rat's ass!!!

A copy of a marriage license app. revocation doc. can be found in the download section (it needs some editing in my view) and copies of the actual pertinent docs. from the state is all that is needed to form the basis for a jurisdictional challenge. Is your friend knowledgable and up to the task of doing so as this will probably entail multiple appeals? If not he will have to prepare for a game of Let's Make a Deal.

gldskr