Interesting Facts!!!

[wargamez102]

http://www.man4justice.com

[idknow]

Originally Posted by wargamez102

http://www.man4justice.com

what's there to say for greed?

[planetmark]

This group apparently wants to protect "constitutionally secured rights" against paternity fraud... but this acquiesces to the system's fraudulent claims that ANYBODY is subject to child support payments in the first place. The entire concept of "child support" is such a fraud, and violates the entire concept of "rights" and "freedom".

My first concern is that these guys are doing more harm than good by arguing cases before the US Supreme Court, with the presupposition and acceptance of the notion that child support is ok "IF you really are the father". Now the court will have rulings defending child support with "father's rights groups" in agreement with child support, and that will cascade into bolstering the notion of "every child deserves child support", which becomes yet another de facto "right" for dishonorable theiving females, which continues to degrade everybody's lifestyle and robs men of the right to have rights to defend. A woman has the "right" to kill her children, to destroy her husband, to commit perjury, to get welfare on demand, and to abuse her children as weapons for attacking her ex-husband/boyfriend with. Society now accepts the notion of a woman being a total ****/whore, and even rewards it with immunity from fraud and perjury, and further rewards this immorality by making some man somewhere pay all the bills. But these guys are playing the wrong game if they want to stop this nonsense.

I just got "adventures in legal land", and cracked it open for a quick skim. Chapter 6, the auther discusses "don't argue the merits". The issue is the threat of physical violence against a man, not whether he did or did not "commit the crime". Do I owe child support? A better question is "are these thugs allowed to hold me at gun-point, and threaten my life, and lock me in a cage if I refuse to put FRN's in an envelope and send them to someone?" There are long established civil procedures for handling "debt", and refusal to pay. Prison IS NOT one of the procedures!

I just saw an interesting sticker on a gasoline pump. They have an RCW statute specifically for handling theft of gasoline. Ok, this is insane! Theft is theft. But theft of gasoline is special theft? I lose my driver's license if I steal gasoline? Ok, so will there soon be a statute that takes away my ability to buy food if I steal an apple from a street vendor!?? Theft is theft. Defaulting on debt is defaulting on debt. Assault is assult. Perjury is wrong, and should be punished. These men are wasting time trying to get extra-special rights to defend themselves against "paternity fraud." Fraud is already a punishable offence! Just punish the tramp if she is caught lying. Enforce the existing laws! And a tramp who insists on the right to get screwed by every male that walks past needs to bear the consequenses of her immorality. Females need to be responsible for their "reproductive rights", and responsibility has a price tag. If a woman isn't sure who a baby's father is, then she is a filthy dirtbag, and when a dirtbag approaches a court with "unclean hands", that dirtbag, by law, does not get remedy! Period. Why is our society protecting whoredom? It is disgraceful, dishonorable, demeaning and degrading to women, and puts all women and children in a precarious situation. Men are increasingly afraid of starting families, females put themselves forward as mere entertainment, and society degrades, destroying the honor and dignity that women deserve, and destroying the strength and protection afforded to us all by honorable men.

I say we need to protect civilization by punishing fraud and perjury, without concern for the preceding adjectives... but then there would be no judges left to handle the caseload...

"...whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"

[stepping off soap box now]

[idknow]

Originally Posted by planetmark

This group apparently wants to protect "constitutionally secured rights" against paternity fraud... but this acquiesces to the system's fraudulent claims that ANYBODY is subject to child support payments in the first place. The entire concept of "child support" is such a fraud, and violates the entire concept of "rights" and "freedom".

My first concern is that these guys are doing more harm than good by arguing cases before the US Supreme Court, with the presupposition and acceptance of the notion that child support is ok "IF you really are the father". Now the court will have rulings defending child support with "father's rights groups" in agreement with child support, and that will cascade into bolstering the notion of "every child deserves child support", which becomes yet another de facto "right" for dishonorable theiving females, which continues to degrade everybody's lifestyle and robs men of the right to have rights to defend. A woman has the "right" to kill her children, to destroy her husband, to commit perjury, to get welfare on demand, and to abuse her children as weapons for attacking her ex-husband/boyfriend with. Society now accepts the notion of a woman being a total ****/whore, and even rewards it with immunity from fraud and perjury, and further rewards this immorality by making some man somewhere pay all the bills. But these guys are playing the wrong game if they want to stop this nonsense.

I just got "adventures in legal land", and cracked it open for a quick skim. Chapter 6, the auther discusses "don't argue the merits". The issue is the threat of physical violence against a man, not whether he did or did not "commit the crime". Do I owe child support? A better question is "are these thugs allowed to hold me at gun-point, and threaten my life, and lock me in a cage if I refuse to put FRN's in an envelope and send them to someone?" There are long established civil procedures for handling "debt", and refusal to pay. Prison IS NOT one of the procedures!

I just saw an interesting sticker on a gasoline pump. They have an RCW statute specifically for handling theft of gasoline. Ok, this is insane! Theft is theft. But theft of gasoline is special theft? I lose my driver's license if I steal gasoline? Ok, so will there soon be a statute that takes away my ability to buy food if I steal an apple from a street vendor!?? Theft is theft. Defaulting on debt is defaulting on debt. Assault is assult. Perjury is wrong, and should be punished. These men are wasting time trying to get extra-special rights to defend themselves against "paternity fraud." Fraud is already a punishable offence! Just punish the tramp if she is caught lying. Enforce the existing laws! And a tramp who insists on the right to get screwed by every male that walks past needs to bear the consequenses of her immorality. Females need to be responsible for their "reproductive rights", and responsibility has a price tag. If a woman isn't sure who a baby's father is, then she is a filthy dirtbag, and when a dirtbag approaches a court with "unclean hands", that dirtbag, by law, does not get remedy! Period. Why is our society protecting whoredom? It is disgraceful, dishonorable, demeaning and degrading to women, and puts all women and children in a precarious situation. Men are increasingly afraid of starting families, females put themselves forward as mere entertainment, and society degrades, destroying the honor and dignity that women deserve, and destroying the strength and protection afforded to us all by honorable men.

I say we need to protect civilization by punishing fraud and perjury, without concern for the preceding adjectives... but then there would be no judges left to handle the caseload...

"...whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"

[stepping off soap box now]

get back on the box!!!

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What is your plan of attack?

Jerry.

[planetmark]

Originally Posted by jerrypitts

What is your plan of attack?

Jerry.

Lol. Plan? I first have to save my own neck.

I'm working on ideas. There is a remedy, and one of us will find it sooner or later.

The men who have figured out and revealed the deception are heros. They fought with no hope in sight. We have inherited their knowledge and efforts. Every traffic ticket that we beat, and every debt collector that we shut down is one more step on the path of victory for us all. To beat the family court will be truly a landmark victory! I want to be the one to do it big and loud. I have six children at stake. I'm learning something new here every day. I believe the "family court" is the very heart of the devil himself. This is the system that needs beat the worst. We need a coordinated attempt at each of us implementing the tactics that work in all the other areas of law in our "divorce cases". Nobody is more motivated than a pissed off man who's had his children kidnapped. To beat these bastards and get our children back would light a fire under a very motivated, wide-awake, and ready-to-be-unplugged group of individuals.

The plan is for everyone who gets a victory to share the details! Post copies of your papers. Tell us what order you filed what papers in. Describe the process. Share the information. What works? What crashes and burns?

And does anybody here know anything about the original jurisdiction governors?? Nearly every state claims to have one elected. Where are they? What are they doing? Is this mythology or carefully kept secrets? We need to re-seat our proper government, and take back our country.

I am working on a plan of attack. We are sitting in a powder keg, with a bunch of idiots banging rocks over our heads. One day it's gonna blow, and make Iraq look like childs play. Violence is frightfully close at hand. Violence may be necessary in the end, but I'm hoping and planning and working toward a lawful and legal and peacful solution. (Just don't anybody ever cave in and have mercy on these idiot judges and lawyers once we beat them!! Have a trial, find them guilty of treason, and then hang them ALL and move on!) This is more than beating a traffic ticket folks. I like the suggestion I heard somewhere - go park your car wrong and get a parking ticket to fight. Nothing to risk, and a huge education to gain. Graduate to speeding tickets, and get lots of practice. Do it on purpose so you're not going in mad. Expect to pay, and play it like a game, and learn step by step how to escape their grasp. Then teach your friends and family. Show the nay-sayers some victories. No victory is an "individual victory". Every one is a victory for our country. Stop treating your "problems" like they are only yours, and let's organize and coordinate.