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Old 03-22-2006, 06:24 AM
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Hb-5267

It is a start, but what about "all" the casualties from the past?

http://www.michiganvotes.org/2005-HB-5267
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Old 03-22-2006, 12:34 PM
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This is one of the comments posted at the link Wargamez posted above... I thought it noteworthy..


Why Parenting Time Motions Fail and Child Support Motions Succeed.

After a Friend of the Court Citizen Advisory Committee meeting an
attorney indicated that it seemed that their parenting time motions seem to
fail more frequently than child support motions succeed. This was a
brilliant observation and I wanted to take a quick moment and tell you
why.

For every three dollars ($3.00) that your local court spends on Child
Support Enforcement the court receives two dollars ($2.00) by way of
federal block grant money. Additionally to make up the difference of the
remaining one dollar balance the local courts have been able to use what
is known as federal incentive grants from the federal government, which
has made it possible to “profit” from operating a “successful” child
support enforcement program. An immense gain by the state is to be had
by operating a "successful" child support enforcement program which
means that a child cannot have substantially equal time with both parents.
In order to maximize federal money the states create the appearance of
an absentee parent for purposes of the Child Support Enforcement
welfare program. Successful also means maximizing the number of participants
the state has in its Child Support Enforcement welfare program by
including the middle-class at the sole expense of the U.S. Tax Payer.

See 42 USC 655; “Payment to States”;
See 42 USC 658a; “Incentive payments to States”;

In a parenting time conflict, there is disincentive to allow children
to have substantially equal time with their parents because then the
parents do not fit wholly into the above welfare program model as being
absent. The more parenting time provided, typically, child support is
reduced or abated. A reduction in participants is a reduction in the
justification of federal monies to the state. Normally the reduction of
expenditures is encouraged by government but in this case the opposite
holds true because there is a profit derived from the excess influx of
funds. Because of lack of eligibility requirements there is immense waste
in the new Child Support Enforcement Beaurocracy. In 2006 alone, 4.2
BILLION of our Social Security Fund, nationally, is being invested into
this program which is a huge disincentive for the states to allow
substantially equal parenting time with both parents.

The huge mass of money out of your social security also is the reason
that the State is so eager to incorporate all the middle-class into
their Child Support Enforcement welfare programs; that means higher support
awards and an appearance of more need for federal money now that there
is widespread expanded group participation.

The new welfare abuser is not the people, but the states who have
shaped their participant numbers to create the appearance of need for a
program that lacks eligibility requirements. The reality is that there are
many fit, willing, and competent parents that are trapped in a welfare
system against their will and they are being prevented from parenting
their children because the state wants to maximize their federal funding
and make them look absent.

Very Truly Yours,
/s/ /s/
Lary Holland
5180 Cedar Lake Rd.
Oscoda, MI 48750
(989) 747-0079 (v)
(989) 764-5920 (f)
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Old 03-27-2006, 02:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Akira
Why Parenting Time Motions Fail and Child Support Motions Succeed.

After a Friend of the Court Citizen Advisory Committee meeting an
attorney indicated that it seemed that their parenting time motions seem to
fail more frequently than child support motions succeed. This was a
brilliant observation and I wanted to take a quick moment and tell you
why.
...
See 42 USC 655; “Payment to States”;
See 42 USC 658a; “Incentive payments to States”;
...

I had come across those USC references a little while ago. Some crazy numbers they are tossing out for "incentive" to kill America's fathers.

From section 658(a):
Quote:
`(A) IN GENERAL- In paragraph (1), the term `incentive payment pool' means--

`(i) $422,000,000 for fiscal year 2000;

`(ii) $429,000,000 for fiscal year 2001;

`(iii) $450,000,000 for fiscal year 2002;

`(iv) $461,000,000 for fiscal year 2003;

`(v) $454,000,000 for fiscal year 2004;

`(vi) $446,000,000 for fiscal year 2005;

`(vii) $458,000,000 for fiscal year 2006;

`(viii) $471,000,000 for fiscal year 2007;

`(ix) $483,000,000 for fiscal year 2008; and

I wonder what would be the result of sending this guy's comments as an attachment to a nice letter to the "judge", explaining your intent to persue FOIA requests and other research into the "judge's" financial interests in a child-custody hearing?

There was a link mentioned somewhere here recently to a site in Alaska, and that guy had the actual documents detailing the child support enforcement division's formal agreement with the court(!) to pay all costs related to hearing child-support cases. He suggests this is common practice. This is SERIOUS conflict of interest. Maybe if the "judge" knew one of their victims was aware of, and researching, this sort of thing, they might be inclined to be more fair to this particular person? I don't have enough experience with these monter's motives personally to tell for sure. Vengenace might be the real reaction?
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