I'd like to give this child the power to choose whether or not they want to be a part of the system. I never had this choice. SSN, Birth Certificate, etc.
Trying to get my wife into the idea of a private midwife though she's not too keen on the idea right now.
I'd like to give this child the power to choose whether or not they want to be a part of the system. I never had this choice. SSN, Birth Certificate, etc.
Trying to get my wife into the idea of a private midwife though she's not too keen on the idea right now.
thanks
You should get to the best medical attention possible and that you choose etc. Weis says there is plenty of information here; true. The paradigm shift about what you are required by law to do is another story.
My advice is that you be prepared to buffer your wife from the legal clowns at the hospital delivery center. And that you do not register your new baby into commerce. They will probably attempt to notify you that they did that anyway and simply Refuse that for Cause in a timely manner and publish the R4C in your county clerk and recorder office.
You are the one who will ultimately decide for your new child. The State stepping in parens patrea is nothing but smoke and mirrors, regardless of how much assistance you get - whatever. Regardless of insurance or lack thereof.* In hindsight, if you believe your new child has been properly registered into commerce; it is only because you were not diligent about refusing to do it. There are reports where hospital security is telling you that you cannot leave without signing certain papers etc. I know it is distracting around the life-changing events for your household but simply put that all aside for an hour while your wife enjoys nursing and carefully read any and all papers they are prodding you to sign. Strike through offensive material and sign it.
If you understand original jurisdiction, that you are the judge of your child's novations - that the birth certificate is a bank note, then you will understand the health care is already yours as heir apparent to the original estate. [If you are going to cash in on your bill of exchange (your inherent right to Public Money) then you best pick a good METRO-owned hospital with an accredited Birthing Center.]
Notice that the birth certificate attached is produced by "American Bank Note Company".
Regards,
David Merrill.
* For instance if you have already signed anything, anywhere obligating you to register your child in commerce with a birth certificate and you do not know it - Judge Roy Bean will be the first posterboy here admitting that is fraud. So simply stand on the ground the baby is fine as is; you need no certificate to go along with the baby. [If they say they need the certificate know that is so investors, mostly Chinese and Japanese can start securities and bonds in a suppositional wagering scheme on your baby's future obligations to perform - namely income tax. His or her career, work product home, car and all that - even your baby's flesh and bone will belong to international banking cartels fractionalizing on futures.]
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Dogs of War
Dogs of war, men of hate,
With no cause we don't discriminate.
Discovery, is to be disowned,
Our currency is flesh and bone.
Hell opened up, and put on sale,
Gather 'round and haggle.
For hard cash we will lie and decieve,
Even our Masters don't know the webs we weave.
Last edited by David Merrill : 05-26-2006 at 08:34 AM.
I'd like to give this child the power to choose whether or not they want to be a part of the system. I never had this choice. SSN, Birth Certificate, etc.
Trying to get my wife into the idea of a private midwife though she's not too keen on the idea right now.
thanks
melbo,
Look at this thread. You will find someone else in the same frame of mind as you.
Note my post on the matter near the middle of that page.
Peace
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Thanks.
I registered a few months back and have been lurking around ever since. Shared some info with an admin here as well.
I'll look at those threads and search some more. I was at a stoplight when I thought to ask the question here.
We are Cash in this deal. We had to go in vitro so I already have a LOT invested in this endeavor. 2 cycles @ around $25K each.
It's amazing that when we go for a blood test at the Hospital, Paying Cash and voluntary, we are asked for copies of DLs, Where we work, etc. The In Vitro clinic we used was pretty cool about our info. We paid in cash, each visit and they waived a lot of the usual paperwork.
I have started to use the ID theft excuse when someone pesters me for Personal info. "I just don't trust your Computer systems to keepo it safe, Look at those 25 million Vets?" I also give pretty much false oinfo unless I am dealing with the .gov. They dpon't need it.
thanks again. Was just wondering if anyone had fought the fight with the docs at the hospital and won.
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Originally Posted by melbo
thanks again. Was just wondering if anyone had fought the fight with the docs at the hospital and won.
I only had one of my babies in the hospital (#5), and only then because she'd been transverse (sideways) up until I went into labor. She ended up coming out feetfirst, no problems. At that time, I didn't know anything about birth certificates. We knew we didn't want ss#s but didn't know how to NOT get them. So, no, we didn't win that battle. However, I knew enough at that time to not let them bully me into a C-section or giving me drugs that I didn't need. Plus, I checked out of the hospital a mere 12 hours after she was born, which was NOT on their agenda. They wanted to keep us there for 2-3 days, simply because she was breech!
David says get the best medical attention possible, and I agree with that statement. I also believe that a midwife is far better than a doctor, in most childbirth cases. There will be times, obviously, when a doctor will be needed, but those times are not as frequent as one would believe.
I've encouraged many of my friends to go to a midwife, but most said their husband wasn't interested, so it's refreshing to hear about a man who is wanting it. My suggestion is to find as many midwives in your area and interview them all. You have to be comfortable with who you choose. My midwife is like part of the family now.
If you didn't read the other thread, my new son (who's sleeping in my lap) was born at home with just myself and my dh. (the midwife came later just to check on him...the baby, not my husband!) We had her leave almost all the spots on the form blank, so there won't be a BC put on the record at all. Just be sure to know what you want or don't want, and to "know what you know" so you can't be bullied into anything.
I love to talk about babies, midwives, etc. so if you want me to talk to your wife, PM me!
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