Prime cause and Prevention of Cancer

[KaosTheory]

I'm still a little foggy on what you are saying about prime vs secondary cause. Otto Warburg's research proved that when a healthy cell is deprived of oxygen past a certain point, it will become a cancer cell and it will reproduce cancer cells.



His experiments were repeated and the same results were observed over and over. That seems to be a good reason to believe that he has discovered the prime cause.

[dochand]

Okay!



Seems we now have oxygen (and its proponent[s]) in its varied forms in one corner and B-17 (and its proponent[s]) and it various attributes in the other.



My question is what is it in the B17 that we are all deficient in? Or is it a deficiency? Or is it perhaps a mediator for something else - like oxygen transport?



I mean, if the only thing we have to do is chuck down 6 apricot seeds per day and inhale some H2O2 morning and evening to prevent (cure) cancer, I think that this would be big news to all in the underground and wouldn't be such a secret to alternative practitioners.



The fact of the matter is that we are such individuals and we vary so greatly in genetics, lifestyle, environment, etc... that the 'silver bullet' that we all would like to discover is actually a mix of a multitude of things - mental/emotional poise, spiritual centeredness, food, drink, environment, genetics, etc...



I am in no way discounting anything that Kaos Theory, Andy or The Black Truth have put forth in this thread. The only addition I wish to propose is that anything (and I truly mean anything) that increases the body's positive vibrational energies will improve the organism's overall health levels. This includes not only what should be normal physiological functions, but the immune respnse in particular.



If we believe in any way the proposal that it is a virus that mutates the DNA of a susceptible cell, rendering it into a mutated (cancerous) state, then we must address the 'cause' of what made the cell 'susceptible'.



So we come to the notion that germs are involved in the transmutation of a 'you-name-it' cell into a mutated 'cancer' cell. But how do these 'germs' gain the power to do what they do? They don't!



Germs have no power. They are basically the simplest form of scavengers that you could conceive. A vulture will not attack a healthy, viable person or animal. It will only strike when the animal or person is sick, weak or dying.



The same is true for us. Whether it be a simple cold virus, a step throat, or a 'cancer' virus, the germ can only and will only gain access to the cell when it has become weakened, and is either dying or dead.



Remember, they are scavengers and therefore, it behooves us to do everything in our power to prevent auto-intoxication (self-poisoning) by living a healthy lifestyle in a healthy environment to prevent our cells from weakening and dying.



The bottom line to me is that we need to find what works for us. Knowing that you are a part of the 'big picture' and that you arrived here at just the right time and everything that happens is for your ultimate good, is one thing.



Thinking good, healthy thoughts even in the face of adversity is another.



Increasing the number of mitochondria in your cells through 'superslow' strength training will not only make your cardiovascular system stronger, it will increase the amount of oxygen that will be utilized by your cells.



Eating a good diet that provides the protein, carbohydrates, fats, enzymes, vitamins, minerals, etc... is a whole 'nother discussion.



Where we live and the energy-sapping environmental toxins, and energies to which our bodies are subjected is another.



Talked enuf for this day 'bout this.



Good discussion though.



Keep it going.



Doc

[TheBlackTruth]

<font color=darkblue face=tahoma>oops! I didn't even see KT's latest post on this thread until today!



Ok, I think the debate (if you even want to call it that) is centered around logistics. I think I already got my point across that what's IMPORTANT is that we look to primary causes and subsequently, PRIMARY CURES. It seems we are in agreement on that.



However, what we seem to be discussing now seems to be B17 vs. Oxygen. I see where both sides are coming from (if there are, in fact, SIDES), and the way i see it is a matter of logistics.



In order to properly illustrate a primary and/or singular cause of a thing, one must not only show a 1-to-1 relationship between the candidate cause and the expected effect, but they must also reasonably illustrate that the effect does not occur ABSENT the candidate cause.



Applying the above to this situation would mean to be able to reasonably state that cancer cannot develop in a properly oxygenated environment. I have yet to see such a test - not to say that such a test hasn't already been done.



One thing i know for sure is that the experts in the field of Amygdalin/B17 research have reasonably ascertained that cancer cannot develop in the presense of adequate amounts of the nutrient. The research also clarifies the definition of cancer as it is the identical cellular mitotic behavior as embrionic tissue (its even triggered in the presence of the same hormones).



Lack of oxygen may very well be a strong cause (as is, say, bathing in a tub of plutonium), but based on what I posed above, thats only part of the puzzle.



I'm not sure if I explained my point well. .. let me know if ya know what i'm sayin'!



-BT[/color]

[KaosTheory]

Wow! Check out this site. All you ever thought you might want to know about cancer.



http://www.krysalis.net/cancer.htm

[TheBlackTruth]

<font color=darkblue face=tahoma>Hmmm. . .



This guy makes some good observations but many dangerous assertions as well.



I think the first dangerous and erroneous assertion is that Cancer is a "Degenerative" disease. This implies that healthy cells are somehow converted into cancerous cells through whatever agent described, thus decreasing (degenerating) the amount of viable cells through conversion.



The first reason to doubt this assumption is the simple fact that many tumors are many times the size of the normal healthy organ from which they grew. If mere conversion were occuring, the largest the tumor would be is the size of the original infected cells.



Cancer cells are ADDED to the site, not converted at the site. As these cells invade the scene, they compete with viable cells for vascular/nutritional resources and starve out the healthy cells in the process - similar to how weeds in a garden can take over the plot.



The other critique i have is that a majority of the treatments discussed (even nutritional treatments) were ways to kill cancer and didn't even come close to addressing what caused the cancer or how to keep it from reccuring.[/color]

[Ice]

You guys have made a lot of talk here...



How about breaking it down to something simple -- like "Red Raspberry's" and other sources of ellagitannins as a preventative measure?

[KaosTheory]

Drink peroxide every day.....how's that?

[Ice]

No thanks... I have a much more pleasant way to protect myself. The Creator said that he has given us everything we need to sustain our life. And He has.

[TheBlackTruth]

<font color=darkblue face="tahoma">I agree with Ice. Its all there in the food we have available to us; and just as would be expected, the substance required is found in fruits that grow in every part of the world.



I invite you all to check out This Link[/color]

[Ice]

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Ice