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Old 01-04-2008, 07:03 AM
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If "common law" has been replaced with "public policy" than it's either time to start opening fire or get out of the country.
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Old 01-04-2008, 07:11 AM
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If "common law" has been replaced with "public policy" than it's either time to start opening fire or get out of the country.

Everyone has to make their own personal choices. Therefore, I could never condemn someone for making a choice that was not to my liking. The choices that I make are mine, and no-one else can be held accountable, in that great and final judgment day, for the choices that I have made. I would on the other hand, stipulate that getting 'out of the country' would only serve as further admission of defeat. Then there are some that would say 'fighting against a more fully armed force would be the act of an insane person'. Only you can make that personal choice.

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Old 01-04-2008, 10:59 AM
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I understand but if there is no common law how can we stand a chance to win? Violence would be the only chance and to your point, the technological advances of the gov't vs the common man have just a slightly greater gap today than it did 200 years ago. So other than that leaving could be a solution. I don't think it could counted as total loss because if everyone left the government would starve. I am not sure if there are other options? Hopefully, there is a way to circumvent their system and remain in the nation.
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Old 01-04-2008, 11:12 AM
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I understand but if there is no common law how can we stand a chance to win? Violence would be the only chance and to your point, the technological advances of the gov't vs the common man have just a slightly greater gap today than it did 200 years ago. So other than that leaving could be a solution. I don't think it could counted as total loss because if everyone left the government would starve. I am not sure if there are other options? Hopefully, there is a way to circumvent their system and remain in the nation.

Though many on this forum and other forums would admonish me for making this statement, I will make it anyway, as it is what the Lord would have me tell you.

There is another method available for remedy. The same remedy that was afforded Moses when he went before Pharoah to force that king to release Gods' chosen. That method was brought about through the Might and Power of God, acting through angels that serve the Lord with due diligence. The Hebrew nation left Egypt, not with empty hands. They walked out of Egypt carrying with them the wealth of the king. The king was defeated by the Mighty Hand of God and His ministering angels. The same can happen here. God is unchanging. His power then is as Powerful today as it was then. We only have to believe, obey, and trust in Him. Trusting, obeying, and believing in Him does not show effect when we attempt to take matters into our own hands by using mans' law to defeat mans' laws. But when the power of Gods' Law is brought into full force and effect, then there is nothing that can be created in the mind of man that can withstand that sort of Power.

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Old 01-04-2008, 12:04 PM
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No doubt about that one Jerry.....As a matter of fact Pharoah told them to take what they wanted.....just take your people and GO!!!!! No fuss on the Egyptians part at all, the Israelites spoiled the land without resistance!

Wouldnt it be interesting if the FEDS told Gods people to take what they wanted and to just GO!!!! hehehehe
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:20 PM
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If "common law" has been replaced with "public policy" than it's either time to start opening fire or get out of the country.

1938 I beleive ERIE RAILROAD CO. vs. THOMPKINS, 304 U.S. 64, 82 L. Ed. 1188) was the demise of the common law, and the courts only dredge it up when it is to theri benefit. That said there is still a few avenues that have been missed that the posers who take peoples funds dont even approach in the quest for Allodial title or a land patent.

1. search back in abstract for the original patent holder, seek out the heirs of that person and have them ASSIGN you to the patent, sounds far fetched but it brings the origianl patent back into force and effect as most folks now days get a "title insurance" claiming no liens but does not show chain of ownership or abstract, and they have "quiet enjoyment" of title [in laymans terms they do not own the property or any portion of the patent and the original assignee can re-claim the land if they so desire to a degree.... not tested in court that i know of yet]

2. As long as there is a mortgage the note holder usually holds a lien on the property and the "assignor" has given up rights to hold if they cannot "re-pay" the mortgage, ergo they no longer hold the chain of title in proper form, and as such the holder of the mortgage could enforce a payment of taxes clause be placed in the contract, as they are supplying the corporate funds which generally are obligations of the the united states, so unless gold coin is exchanged you have debt attached to the repayment of the mortgage that the new mortgage replaces and as such taxes follow...... only supposition but the court is gonna do a person under any way they can.

3. Jural Society, the non-statutory abatement process can only be accomplished with the establishment of such a group, then that group can if large enough keep the defacto administration at bay, the problem with a Jural society is that not many people can function outside of the way society has raised us up.... try living in the way described within Deuteronomy...... watch television and see something profane and you blew it, you did not "live" as scripture would have you, therefore the court would do you under and the Jural society would fall apart..... but there is precedent for Jural society and non-statutory abatement and it can be accomplished.... so possibility for folks to do it on their own exists and also in groups.... I have no information, though a few acquaintances keep prodding me along to learn more.

4. only 2 things in life are certain.... taxes and death, even if you beat the first one for the most part, the second will eventually get you! and then the taxes after death become hard ship on your heirs who dont take your perseverance and hard work the same as you and let it go back to the way it was and the next generations have to go through it all again....

Stay focused, start at square one, do not let the court or the governmental bodies nor the people sway you off the path, if they do , you return to square one and start over, sometimes your path gets easier as you dont make the same mistakes three times [some folks learn harder than others and have the motto "We do it right cause we do it twice"] Set goals of EXACTLY what you want to achieve, dont take the word of anyone selling any information on land patents or Allodial title, what do they have to lose if you follow their advice and you lose your fight? they already have your funds and you are back to square one..... and contrary to that statement is it is alright to purchase their material if you throughly research it and not just try to apply it, there is no "silver bullet" or easy fix.

In reading this thread, I was intrigued with several directions that it tried to take off on, including that the Queen still holds title to the several nation states, perhaps in treaty, perhaps through the IMF, and if that is the case, those are merely institutions created by man and not by Almighty God the creator, and they can only "claim" what they can hold through force..... so if true then we al lose cause who would go against the Queen or the City of London? [not to be confused with London the town/city]

more as needed or as it comes to me.

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Old 01-04-2008, 12:33 PM
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In reading this thread, I was intrigued with several directions that it tried to take off on, including that the Queen still holds title to the several nation states, perhaps in treaty, perhaps through the IMF, and if that is the case, those are merely institutions created by man and not by Almighty God the creator, and they can only "claim" what they can hold through force..... so if true then we al lose cause who would go against the Queen or the City of London? [not to be confused with London the town/city]

"Who would go against the Queen or the City of London?"

God and anyone that He authorizes to do so. If the "Queen or the City of London" have violated any 'trust' that God might have put upon them, then woe unto them.


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Old 01-08-2008, 12:33 PM
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I think I found a private lender for the same rate as the bank loan! Based on what you guys are telling me, this is a key step in the process, right? Should I go for it?

If the loan works out for me, I can share you the contact info.......
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Old 01-08-2008, 01:12 PM
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Old 01-08-2008, 01:27 PM
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because a lien is a lien and you can't have any liens or because mortgages don't impede your right to own land?
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