Land Patents and Property Tax Abatement - Urban Myth or for Real?

[andrewmitch]

ok then based on what you are saying we need to

1) Unrecord our property

2) Establish a common-law way to claim the property by securing proper title

3) Cancel our voter registration


Have you done all this (successfully)?

[mrg]

Originally Posted by andrewmitch

I think what ghost was trying to say is that we enter into the contract voluntarily (caveat emptor if you will).....and that the force occurs only if you don't uphold your end of the contract.

Which contract, the mortgage or the registration?

I think my posts are off target though, so apologies Ghost.

What instrument actually was the source for any monetization?

[andrewmitch]

well, i was meaning the Registration (I am not sure how the banks enforce their contract but it is probably with the same LEO's and w/ force).

[andrewmitch]

by the way, the tax assignment in the deed is easy to remove - just sell it to a family member or legal entity and then when you buy it back you remove the tax clause from the deed

the issue though is that because of state statute, the prop tax gets attached to the house

[gldskr]

andrewmitch

You are missing the point, that being, there is a statutory land/real estate transaction and a non statutory land/real estate transaction. Allodial title can only be achieved in a non statutory transaction. Statutes are for persons, entities or fictions. Are you such or have you contracted to be so?

As I have previously stated, buying property is no different than buying oranges at your local grocer. An offer is made, the offer is accepted, consideration is given, the property is transfered and the deal is done.

The key is to remove the interlopers and their subsequent contracts from the transaction. Realtors and banks will require that you follow statutory guidelines. Avoid these entities.

There is no de jure government, but the de jure law still exists for those who are predisposed to use it. Take advantage of this and structure your transaction within the law and not the statute.

The Supremes have stated numerous times that the land patent is superior title. Wouldn't this be the foundation of any transfer document(s)? Doesn't the deed evidence those contracts entered into subsequent to?

There are two realms which you can operate. Only one can be successful, choose wisely.

gldskr

[rottweiler]

The de jure government still exists. Hardly anyone uses it. Other than that, good post IMO.

Originally Posted by gldskr

There is no de jure government, but the de jure law still exists for those who are predisposed to use it. gldskr

[gldskr]

Thank you rottweiler and I stand corrected.

The de jure government still exists.

Unfortunately all the seats are vacant.

gldskr

[rottweiler]

They are not vacant they are just filled by de facto officers. There is such a thing as a de facto officer you know but there is no such thing as a de facto office.

For example, in my judicial district in Milwaukee the county there is a office called the magistrate created under the authority of the Office of the People. However this magistrate without authority of the Office of the People also poses as the COUNTY SUPERVISOR of the 8th DISTRICT of MILWAUKEE COUNTY. Any act by the latter is no act at all without authority.

You can go all the way up the line and you will see the overlay of a foreign corporate usurper cloaked over all the de jure offices. The de facto officers are still there and they do hold their offices under the authority of the Office of the People. They just hardly ever have to do anything for them and really don't want to anyway.

It would be really simple to take the country back if we just got started. There are enough so-called patriots, they just need to be educated.

Originally Posted by gldskr

Thank you rottweiler and I stand corrected.



Unfortunately all the seats are vacant.

gldskr

[andrewmitch]

ok...so what am I hearng then?

I think that the first step is to get the Land Patent and then to re-sell it to yourself only this time use the common law procedure and not the statutory process?

[rottweiler]

The first step is to "pay off" the mortgage. In the meantime why don't you do a abstract on it? Check all the tranfers of title all the way back to when it was patented. You are checking for a clear chain of title by making sure there where no tax sales and such so make copies of everything so you can get copies of the patent from the BLM.

Originally Posted by andrewmitch

ok...so what am I hearng then?

I think that the first step is to get the Land Patent and then to re-sell it to yourself only this time use the common law procedure and not the statutory process?