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Old 01-21-2005, 03:23 PM
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Has anyone researched the issue of continueing to pay a mortgage after securing land patent ? Does the monthly payment admit equitable title and / or vitiate the patent. I have heard of a document sent to the lienholder, under these circumstances, that basicly states that "ALL FURTHER PAYMENTS ARE PAYED UNDER PROTEST ........OR.........PAYED WITH RESERVATION...... OR PAYED AS EXCESS."...... Anyone know of any doc that would not admit eqitable title or to "owing" the mortgage debt. For the present time I want to continue payments but don't know of the ramifications (if any) of doing so.
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Old 01-25-2005, 11:40 AM
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Has anyone researched the issue of continueing to pay a mortgage after securing land patent ? Does the monthly payment admit equitable title and / or vitiate the patent. I have heard of a document sent to the lienholder, under these circumstances, that basicly states that "ALL FURTHER PAYMENTS ARE PAYED UNDER PROTEST ........OR.........PAYED WITH RESERVATION...... OR PAYED AS EXCESS."...... Anyone know of any doc that would not admit eqitable title or to "owing" the mortgage debt. For the present time I want to continue payments but don't know of the ramifications (if any) of doing so.

I KNOW OF NO ONE THAT HAS HAD ANY SUCCESS WITH LANDPATENTS. CHECK OUT THIS INFORMATION I FOUND TODAY INCLUDING THE CASES:

Land Patents:

Back in 1983 and 1984, Carol Landi popularized an argument that the land patent was the highest and best form of title and that by updating the patent in your own name, you could defeat any mortgages. This contention violated many principles of real property and when Carol started trying to get patents for most of the land in California brought up into her own name, she went to jail. Others who have raised this crazy argument lost the issue.

1. Landi v. Phelps, 740 F.2d 710 (9th Cir. 1984)
2. Sui v. Landi, 209 Cal.Rptr. 449 (Cal.App. 1 Dist. 1985)
3. Hilgeford v. People's Bank, 607 F.Supp. 536 (N.D.Ind. 1985)
4. Nixon v. Individual Head of St. Joseph Mtg. Co., 612 F.Supp. 253 (N.D. Ind. 1985)
5. Nixon v. Phillipoff, 615 F.Supp. 890 (N.D. Ind. 1985)
6. Wisconsin v. Glick, 782 F.2d 670 (7th Cir. 1986)
7. Britt v. Federal Land Bank Ass'n. of St. Louis, 505 N.E.2d 387 (Ill. App. 1987).
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Old 01-25-2005, 12:25 PM
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Mortgages and Land patent

PJT04,
I may have led you to belive that I was wanting to "get out" of a mortgage by the recent post. I am not in arrears or wanting to challenge the contract.
I do have a land patent and the point of question was.... If anyone had past experience with a land patent being somehow voided by willingly continuation of mortgage payments.... I doubted this would be the case but thought I'd ask.
I think most of the posted questions here have been focused on destroying a mortgage contract with land patent..... not exactly what I had in mind but I would be interested in any comments you have to make on the subject of land patents generally. I am definitely not into the method or intent of the lady mentioned in California.
Thaks for your reply.
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