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Old 01-10-2005, 02:41 PM
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What exact steps are necessary to get an allodial title?

I'm trying to figure out exactly how to get an allodial title. From my understanding you must get a land patent and perfect it by proving there are no higher owners. After searching through dozens of websites, I've discovered you have to sift through mounds of bull**** to try to figure out how the heck to get it done, and nobody seems to have any clear answers. Even on here from the threads I've read I have to go through 5 pages of garbage to find one little useful nugget. Does anyone have a clear, concise, step-by-step explanation of exactly how to get a land patent and allodial title?
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Old 01-10-2005, 06:08 PM
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Try here:

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I have that book already actually, me and my cousin have been looking through it, and we have yet to be able to find the step by step procedure for getting this land patent. He mixes in so much useless material and almost seems to intentionally hide the important stuff. Sorry for my tone here, I've just been getting a bit frustrated with all this.
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raptor,

Maybe you should take a day away from this and come back refreshed. It can get frustrating. So try to go here and read up on things in the downloads section:

http://forum.suijuris.net/showthread.php?t=1799
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There is also a book called Securing Your Property by Helen and Wayne Hage. It's 152 pages has a whole bunch of case cites including his case in the Federal Court of Claims. It is very much a worthwhile book.

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After some research, this is what I've found on the subject:

1) Get 3 certified copies of the origional land patent and 1 certified copy of record of government survey (if available) for the legal description of your property. Request "best copy available" from national archives. Expect to pay $30 for a copy and get it in 1-3 weeks.

2) Record 1 of these certified copies of the origional land patent with the county recorders office. The recorder number will be the land patent number you will refer to in your Declaration of Land Patent.

3) Determine the legal description of your property (from tax statement, deed, real estate contract, or tax assessor's office) to which you are an assign. Get property description narrative (get range #, township #, section #, get quarter section in metes and bounds)

4) Research the assigns (i.e. heirs, owners), on the property back to the origional issue of patent. Discover the chain of assigns pertinent to your portion of the land patent and attach to your Declaration of Land Patent.

5) Prepare a Declaration of Land Patent and update it in one name. It cannot be updated in two names, nor in the names of a husband and wife, otherwise it will cloud the title in case of a divorce. Other equitable arrangements can be made to further sub-divide the ownership or allodial title of the property, or it could be put into a trust. Declaration of Land Patents must be updated in the name of a real individual, not a legal fiction. No legal "persons" are allowed to hold title to property, you cannot allodialize property in the name of a trust, corporation, or non-profit.

6) Record the Declaration of Land Patent in either your county recorder's office, register of deeds, or with the bureau of records and conveyances of your common law court. Notorize or witness all documents. Do not send checks or cash. Use postal money orders or gold/silver certificates. Note: conveying title with negiotiable instruments voids the allodial title.

7) After filing, send a copy by certified mail return reciept requested as a Notice of Declaration of Land Patent to your bank or mortgage company, or to any parties with equitable interest in your property including the county tax assessor.

8) An alternate method to notice the other parties would be to publish a Notice of Declaration of Land Patent in a legal publication in your county (once a week for 3 weeks, or for the full 60 days.)

9) Post Notice of Declaration of Land Patent at the 4 corners of your property and leave them posted for 60 days (witnessed)

10) They have 60 days to challenge your claim to the allodial title, or forever keep their silence. An allodial title is the highest title to property.






If you see any errors in the above, or care to elaborate, please let me know.
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Old 01-18-2005, 02:37 PM
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What exactly is a land patent or allodial title supposed to do?

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After some research, this is what I've found on the subject:

1) Get 3 certified copies of the origional land patent and 1 certified copy of record of government survey (if available) for the legal description of your property. Request "best copy available" from national archives. Expect to pay $30 for a copy and get it in 1-3 weeks.

2) Record 1 of these certified copies of the origional land patent with the county recorders office. The recorder number will be the land patent number you will refer to in your Declaration of Land Patent.

3) Determine the legal description of your property (from tax statement, deed, real estate contract, or tax assessor's office) to which you are an assign. Get property description narrative (get range #, township #, section #, get quarter section in metes and bounds)

4) Research the assigns (i.e. heirs, owners), on the property back to the origional issue of patent. Discover the chain of assigns pertinent to your portion of the land patent and attach to your Declaration of Land Patent.

5) Prepare a Declaration of Land Patent and update it in one name. It cannot be updated in two names, nor in the names of a husband and wife, otherwise it will cloud the title in case of a divorce. Other equitable arrangements can be made to further sub-divide the ownership or allodial title of the property, or it could be put into a trust. Declaration of Land Patents must be updated in the name of a real individual, not a legal fiction. No legal "persons" are allowed to hold title to property, you cannot allodialize property in the name of a trust, corporation, or non-profit.

6) Record the Declaration of Land Patent in either your county recorder's office, register of deeds, or with the bureau of records and conveyances of your common law court. Notorize or witness all documents. Do not send checks or cash. Use postal money orders or gold/silver certificates. Note: conveying title with negiotiable instruments voids the allodial title.

7) After filing, send a copy by certified mail return reciept requested as a Notice of Declaration of Land Patent to your bank or mortgage company, or to any parties with equitable interest in your property including the county tax assessor.

8) An alternate method to notice the other parties would be to publish a Notice of Declaration of Land Patent in a legal publication in your county (once a week for 3 weeks, or for the full 60 days.)

9) Post Notice of Declaration of Land Patent at the 4 corners of your property and leave them posted for 60 days (witnessed)

10) They have 60 days to challenge your claim to the allodial title, or forever keep their silence. An allodial title is the highest title to property.






If you see any errors in the above, or care to elaborate, please let me know.

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What exactly is a land patent or allodial title supposed to do?

Takes the land out of the public and into the private where it belongs. Hope that helps.
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Old 01-19-2005, 03:05 PM
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Takes the land out of the public and into the private where it belongs. Hope that helps.


Not really. From the cases I've read, it doesn't do anything. except maybe get the party slapped with a fine.

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