abstract title

hey everyone,

1st qestion if one has a land patent from when ones grandparents homesteaded could you just go down and update the patent?

2nd question in my possesion are some abstract titles what is the diffrence between an abstract title and a land patent?

thanks
fd

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Originally Posted by fd3s

hey everyone,

1st qestion if one has a land patent from when ones grandparents homesteaded could you just go down and update the patent?

2nd question in my possesion are some abstract titles what is the diffrence between an abstract title and a land patent?

thanks
fd

ANS1: IF THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO, GO FOR IT. HOWEVER, DO NOT FORGET TO INCLUDE A QUITCLAIM DEED FROM ANY AND ALL PARTIES PRIOR TO YOUR GRANDPARENTS, AS WELL AS ONE FROM YOUR GRANDPARENTS. IN THIS WAY, THERE CAN BE NO CHALLENGE TO YOUR RIGHTS OF ABSOLUTE OWNERSHIP.

ANS 2: WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TITLE AND A PATENT?

SIC GORGIAMUS ALUS SUBJUCTATOS NUNC

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fd3s,
Patents are not updated!
The only thing you are doing is becoming an assign/ or heir to the original patent!
That thing you are updating is the chain of title from you and going back to that orginal patentee heirs and/ or assigns.
BTW, since patents are allready public record you do not have to record it. Some would re-record in the local court so that buyers and seller wouldn't make the mistake of not checking and think that the land was vacant.


When land changes hands there is no obligation to record at the local court! Q: Why is that? A: Because land that was issued by patent was allready public record!

As long as you know where the original patent, land grant, or other title came from and can trace your ownership back to that day one, you can begin to know your land rights with that land. By knowing those you can defend them and tell other who infringe, or tresspass upon them where their standing!

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Those abstracts may be some of the links in your chain of title. Land patents are issued as titles (to convey land from the public into private ownership) and to confirm good titles. Either way you want to show your chain of title back to that good title so that you know the law that govern it and now you're prepared; should you need to defend your land rights.

i guess the next question would be then how do i get the property off of the tax role. Also is it possible to own the land with allodial title and then have some type of LLC. or somthing own the realestate??

thanks for your replys,
fd

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title search (and get all your ducks in a row)
Do this yourself because no one has a better interest in the outcome than you.
Then when you go all the way back to the very first time that land was granted, patented, or transfered (conveyed) you can check for broken links in the chain.
A broken link would be something like a tax lien sale (color of title). You must repair any of those (if possible). If not possible then what you got is what you got.
If you can show a clear chain of title back to the original patent (title) or grant or title then as an assign the law that affects your land rights is the law that goverened at that time the land was originally conveyed.

You get all the papers together before you go to the tax assesor or what have you. PM me for more info


Q: Also is it possible to own the land with allodial title and then have some type of LLC. or somthing own the realestate?? A: Yes however you may find that all appurtances to the land are included with the land anyway!

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If the LLC is a vessel of the US then who really owns that land that is sold to a LLC?

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Remember the Supreme Court decision from earlier this summer where it was decided that your property could be taken for economic development? If a corp. wants to build a casino where we live they can give you a pittance and you are out on your ass. Why? Because we don't have superior title. We have warranty deeds.

One of the reasons for the New Orleans HAARPicane was to make a fortune off the rebuilding. It appears there are plans to make New Orleans a Las Vegas south. How will the criminals acquire the land they need? Easy, they will claim it is for economic development and the residents of the flooded areas are never getting their homes back. That's why Cheney's Blackwater mercenarys are throwing out the holdouts BY PHYSICAL FORCE. That's why the food and water was withheld by FEMA, to force them out. That's why FEMA blew up the levees in the first place. In the meantime the residents of New Orleans will be held in concentration camps.

Like Iraq, this is a test case to see how Americans will react.
Just like the nazi they start with weak groups first. In Iraq it was muslims of a sovereign country, then poor black Americans or useless eaters.
Soon they will come for YOU and YOUR family.

If this is a successful operation you can bet there will be bigger "disasters".

Now that we know "government" is NOT the answer let us withdraw from the system. If you don't you may one day be physically dragged out of your home like the NOLA people. No one will lift a finger to help you.

Land patents are only effective under the following conditions.
1)The property is not mortgaged!
2)A abstract(title search) produces a clear chain all the way back to the original patent.
3)There must be language in the first transfer after the original patent similar to this......."This land can not be taken for taxes".

So do a abstract before you acquire land, after all it is the most important purchase you will ever make. Title insurance only goes back 20 years or a couple of transfers.

Now you can start work on how to beat your municipality when they try to foreclose over non-payment of property taxes.

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Seems timley to repost this older thread section:

Speaking directly to ALLODIAL TITLE, and such a title does not in any manner imply or state that the property in question is, or has been, abandoned.

You must grapple HEAD-ON with the "conversion" of real property to a communist system which abolishes private property, via stealth.

Thus, your "taxes" are your tribute to the REAL LANDLORD -- the State!

Thus, you must smoke out any and all legal "interests" which the State may claim against that property: the common law remedy for doing that is a Quiet Title proceeding.

Once final judgment has been reached in a Quiet Title proceeding, all title searches after that point need go back only as far as that judgment, and not any further, because the final judgment in such a case is truly FINAL for all legal purposes.

Thus, proof of your allodial title will be found in the Office of the Clerk of your county court, and NOT in the County Recorder's Office.

One remedy you can obtain from the county court, in a Quiet Title proceeding, is to litigate the legal ramifications of the existing recordation: e.g. if it is "fee simple" and if there is, in fact, a secret lien against such a recordation in favor of the Federal Reserve, then the Federal Reserve would need to appear in court -- to lay claim to that lien. If they did NOT do so, then they will have abandoned their claim -- by failing to contest your claim to ALLODIAL TITLE.

Basically, by serving NOTICE of your Quiet Title proceeding on the Federal Reserve, it is then be time for them to PUT UP or SHUT UP -- FOREVER!!


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Jerseee


Registered: 09/24/03
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Sunday, July 18 2004 @ 05:52 AM CDT
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Skygzr,

Thank you sooo much for posting a strategy!!!!

Lately folks have been posting non-significant stuff instead of strategies to deal with BB!! This is a refreshing post to read.....Thank you very much! It stimulates thought and conversation. It moves forward and is not stagnant.

Well from comprehension--allodial title is just a result of a land patent. It is not a process but rather a condition of what the title will be after ascerting the rights in the land patent.

Actually, I do not think the Fed has anything to do with property but of course I could be wrong since I am not sure. If folks just ascert their rights in the land patent--I think all will be fine.

I am in the beginning stages of doing such a thing myself.
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HenryBowman


Registered: 03/19/04
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Sunday, July 18 2004 @ 10:12 PM CDT
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How does one do a Quiet Title?

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Jerseee


Registered: 09/24/03
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Monday, July 19 2004 @ 02:33 AM CDT
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HB,

From my studies (this means I could be mistaken) Quiet Title is done after the land patent and it basically lays to rest any claims or disputes as to who is the owner.

CHeck the downloads section for the process.
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Don


Registered: 02/02/04
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Monday, August 09 2004 @ 03:03 AM CDT
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Hi All
You have to Quiet Title before you can build your patent sandwich. The title must be clear, free of liens and encumberances.
Don

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"Once final judgment has been reached in a Quiet Title proceeding, all title searches after that point need go back only as far as that judgment, and not any further, because the final judgment in such a case is truly FINAL for all legal purposes."

"Thus, proof of your allodial title will be found in the Office of the Clerk of your county court, and NOT in the County Recorder's Office."

Skygzr,
The Clerk of the county court is also called the county recorder here. At least that is what the cashiers tell me when I go there. I say: "Is this the recorder for the county?" They say "Yes" I say "You mean the recorder for the county court of record?" They said "Yes". The reason I asked is because the sign says Clerk. Should I go there (with a stenographer, notary public and witness) and ask 'are you a cashier for the office of the clerk for the one supreme county common law court of record

Couldn't certain defenses be raised after a judgment for land ownership? While they may be very special circumstances...
It does make sense to lay (common law) claim to it (the land) particularly if the broken links are not repairable.

"if it is "fee simple" and if there is, in fact, a secret lien against such a recordation in favor of the Federal Reserve, then the Federal Reserve would need to appear in court -- to lay claim to that lien. If they did NOT do so, then they will have abandoned their claim -- by failing to contest your claim to ALLODIAL TITLE"

-can you expound on that?