Property tax gone...finally freedom

[jdogpupil]

The IRS makes an exception for churches - they don't need to file, or get a 501(c)3 status. Unless they're oblivious.

[cowboy]

Right, Churches don't have to.
But have any individuals had any success ?

[Don]

you can refuse to pay the county taxes with a land patent, but they will cut off all services, Fire, Police, Electric, Water, Gas, Schools, Road access etc...
Don

I have gotten several successful land patents. The county clerks don't like it, but they have to record and enter it. same with the secretary of states office.

[Livefire]

I can understand the Fire and Police but water, electric, gas you pay for..... You also have a right to Travel..how are they going to stop you?? You could probably contract with the Fire and police departments for protection....a set fee for each service call if so desired.

[jetgraphics]

Originally Posted by cowboy

Soooo, has anyone gotten of the property tax rolls.... ?

JG: Depends.
Estate (real property) is held with qualified ownership. According to the state constitutions I read, only estate is subject to taxation.

Private property, absolutely owned by an individual, is not listed as subject to taxation.

However, most Americans register their property transactions as "real estate" which means said property is subject to ad valorem taxes.

If one checks the local or state code regarding private property, one should find a glaring hole.

Recapping, if one wishes to establish title to private property not subject to ad valorem taxes, three facts are necessary:

1. Right to own,
2. Alienate title with lawful money,
3. No superior claim exists.

I'd put a legal notice, 30 days before sale, requesting all claimants to said property to come forth or forever waive their claims. After 30 days, the newspaper will send you an affidavit attesting to no response.
Then buy said property with a minimum of 21 silver dollars (7th amendment protections).
And if one is "out" of national so******m, usury, and other related impairments, one should be able to defend against any claimants for your private property.

(I can find no law compelling the recording of private property).

Official Code of Georgia Annotated states:

O.C.G.A. 44-2-1.
Where and when deeds recorded; priority as to.

“Every deed conveying land shall be recorded in the office of the clerk of the superior court of the county where the land is located. A deed may be recorded at any time; but a prior unrecorded deed loses its priority over a subsequent recorded deed from the same vendor when the purchaser takes such deed without notice of the existence of the prior deed.

The word “shall,” on first reading, gives one the impression that it is mandatory. But there’s another side to this word play...

“There is no Georgia statute compelling the recording of a deed.”
Encyclopedia of Georgia Law, 8 A, p. 265, Sec. 132

Is this not contradictory?

What makes BOTH the statute and the encyclopedia right?

What if “shall” didn’t mean “shall”? Go back and review the little section on law pertaining to mandatory versus directory statutes.

There’s the key: shall means may if a private or public right is impaired by its interpretation as shall.

And there’s more to it than meets the eyes.

“Sole purpose and effect of recording of deed is to afford third parties constructive notice of the existence of the deed."
City Whsle. Co. v. Harper, 100 Ga.App. 151,
110 S.E. 2d 561 (1959)

The court ruling is clear and to the point. The sole purpose for recording deeds is to give notice.

Therefore, if one used the "Legal Notices" to give constructive notice, one has complied with the due notice requirement.

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/land-o...us-estate.html

[gldskr]

Originally Posted by Don

you can refuse to pay the county taxes with a land patent, but they will cut off all services, Fire, Police, Electric, Water, Gas, Schools, Road access etc...
Don

I have gotten several successful land patents. The county clerks don't like it, but they have to record and enter it. same with the secretary of states office.

Of course, these statements are bogus. Land patents have nothing to do with county services, they are independent contracts in and of themselves.

And unless Don is a really, really old fart, I doubt that he has "gotten" any land patents, as our present corp. government has not seen fit to issue any for quite some time. Go figure.

All available land has already got a land patent so there is nothing to "get". Perhaps he meant that he had properly accepted the grant of land, which is all one can do, since the land is simply a gift. But what if you don't accept the gift, who does the land then belong to? Obviously, that which is not received still belongs to the giver.

The Secretary of State has nothing to do with land patents so Don is/was probably a troll, all things considered.

As to JG, why do you attempt to regale us with your knowledge on a two+ year old thread when the one you authored is currently active? And then cut and paste to boot.

The biggest shortcoming of your thesis;

Originally Posted by JG

Recapping, if one wishes to establish title to private property not subject to ad valorem taxes, three facts are necessary:

1. Right to own,
2. Alienate title with lawful money,
3. No superior claim exists.

is that the foundation of allodial ownership is missing, that being, the acceptance of the grant. What you have presented are equitable issues only and in your words, qualified ownership.

Right to own guarantees interest.
Lawful money guarantees proper venue.
No superior claim guarantees marketability of title.

Where is the fourth plank that guarantees absolute ownership as oppssed to equitable? Might this be the proper acceptance of the patent? That which you have received from the giver of the gift?

If you've got the silver bullet, by all means, relate to us your success. If not, you're still in the trenches and your information is suspect.

gldskr

[trooper2ls]

I am in the process of obtaining a Land Patent for my property. It was easy doing the research for the Allodial title, but finding the attached public debt was a nightmare. The various agencies were not very helpful in that respect. Persistance payed off and I was finally able to located and pay this attached debt.

My land is an original Holland Land Company lot that was never sub-divided so it was fairly easy to find the records all the way back to the purchase from the Seneca back in 1789.

Our town does not have a seperate police force, only county sheriff serves this area and all of the fire protection is volunteer. Many of my neighbors are Amish so crime is not exactly an issue here. The only service I get from the town is trash pickup.

According to the lot lines and the title the one lane of the county road that borders one side of my land (buffalo creek wraps the other 3) is actually on my land. The "iron stake" is right between the double yellow line and was clearly marked as such by the survey when I purchased it. Additionally in 1928 an easement was granted to the public utility that provides electric, phone and cable for placement of a pole and passage of overhead lines next to that road. I have no children, so government run brainwash houses are moot for us.

My question to the group is for suggestions on how to handle these issues of public road and utilities that cross my property? Could this be used as a bargining chip with the town, who would surely refuse to pick up my trash once they learned of my position and possibly try to withhold emergency services as well.

Once I have Patent in hand, my next step is Sovereigncy for me and sovereign nation status with the UN for my Patented land. So technically these utilities and road would run through a foreign nation once this final step is complete.

I'm just looking for some input on these matters. I'm not so worried about the electric utility because the only thing I would loose is a small income because I already generate more power than I use via Wind, Hydro and Solar. Mail delivery is not an issue either because I'm already in a non-zip coded area so my mail is delivered via private rural contractor. My main concern is status / liability issues created by having a public road and utilitiy line running through "my" nation.

Thanks in advance for the input from the great minds that browse here.

..J

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

I am no great mind but I don't see how anyone can "withhold" emergency services- these are not allotted specifically to any property, so much as the general public. Fires are put out for example, besides the danger to the burning items, for the danger to other properties: its an issue of general public interest. Same w/ police etc.

It's not as though recording a land patent defeats the tax roll- it just serves to keep the ultimate ownership intact. Quite possibly a property could be seized temporarily in equity, to pay a debt (subject to the Stat of Limits).

The tax status itself will have to be eliminated- then they will stop picking up your trash, because there will be no address. W/ no address the utilities can't make a new connection- but existing ones would probably be left undisturbed.

Recycle, compost, waste less, burn, bury and re-use: then there's the town dump, and private collectors.

If a registration can be eliminated by re-parcelization, there must be a way to do the same to an existing parcel.

[sheisaceo]

Originally Posted by trooper2ls

I am in the process of obtaining a Land Patent for my property. It was easy doing the research for the Allodial title, but finding the attached public debt was a nightmare. The various agencies were not very helpful in that respect. Persistance payed off and I was finally able to located and pay this attached debt.

My land is an original Holland Land Company lot that was never sub-divided so it was fairly easy to find the records all the way back to the purchase from the Seneca back in 1789.

Our town does not have a seperate police force, only county sheriff serves this area and all of the fire protection is volunteer. Many of my neighbors are Amish so crime is not exactly an issue here. The only service I get from the town is trash pickup.

According to the lot lines and the title the one lane of the county road that borders one side of my land (buffalo creek wraps the other 3) is actually on my land. The "iron stake" is right between the double yellow line and was clearly marked as such by the survey when I purchased it. Additionally in 1928 an easement was granted to the public utility that provides electric, phone and cable for placement of a pole and passage of overhead lines next to that road. I have no children, so government run brainwash houses are moot for us.

My question to the group is for suggestions on how to handle these issues of public road and utilities that cross my property? Could this be used as a bargining chip with the town, who would surely refuse to pick up my trash once they learned of my position and possibly try to withhold emergency services as well.

Once I have Patent in hand, my next step is Sovereigncy for me and sovereign nation status with the UN for my Patented land. So technically these utilities and road would run through a foreign nation once this final step is complete.

I'm just looking for some input on these matters. I'm not so worried about the electric utility because the only thing I would loose is a small income because I already generate more power than I use via Wind, Hydro and Solar. Mail delivery is not an issue either because I'm already in a non-zip coded area so my mail is delivered via private rural contractor. My main concern is status / liability issues created by having a public road and utilitiy line running through "my" nation.

Thanks in advance for the input from the great minds that browse here.

..J

I would say that you have the upper hand. Your bargaining chip would be to file a commercial lien against the municipality(ies) and there would be no way that they could remove it until they absolve themselves with you. If you are short of sovereignty, you are just short of this step then.

As for off grid, I am with you on this. I have a wind generator plus solar panels and storm-water collection along with composting septic (I am working on my garden with this powder now!) and trash recycling. This all works out well. I have only a 1,000 gallon water reserve now, but next spring I am digging a 2,500 gallon concrete reserve.

What, me work? As quoted by Mary Croft.

[andrewmitch]

Great job Trooper.

Are you officially of the tax list now?