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Old 02-26-2006, 02:58 PM
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How assinine.

I'm trying to tell you that deeds convey title. And that you can have just a good a title.

You want to say they don't.

Who's telling who there is no such thing as private property?

Take a look in the mirror pal.

And another thing. You talk about good title. How good is it if I have to pay rent to the STATE(any jurisdiction) to occupy my own property? How good is it if the STATE can condemn my land, tell me what to do, and how to do it, use eminent domain to take it, etc?

Your idea of good title is the same as the commies who are actually worshippers of the Sun and ancient mysteries of Babylon otherwise known as Baal worship.

My idea of title is from the Creator and I believe in Him.

The King James Bible

Leviticus, chapter 25
"23": The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.
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Old 02-26-2006, 04:26 PM
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Excuse me, but you the one that claims private property can be taxed. I say bull$hit. A properly prepared land patent is supreme title to land and that right can not be taxed by commie scum who love lucifer.

Exactly backwards.

Once the land patent is issued, the land ceases to be federal land and becomes property of the State ... subject to taxation.

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"Where federal land is sold to a private person, it becomes part of the general mass of property in the state and is subject to ad valorem property taxation. Oklahoma Tax Comm. v. Texas Co., 336 U.S. 342, 353, 69 S.Ct. 561, 93 L.Ed. 721 (1949). Thus, the land in this case ceased to be federal land and was subject to taxation when the unrestricted patent was issued to Boziel Paul in 1856." - Bay Mills Indian Community v. State, 244 Mich. App. 739 (2001).
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Old 02-26-2006, 05:45 PM
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Exactly backwards.

Once the land patent is issued, the land ceases to be federal land and becomes property of the State ... subject to taxation.


You are correct in your assumption especially when it is dealing with patents issued in this modern corrupt society.

If you note the dates of the citations, they are all after the initiation of the BrettonWood agreement and well after the law change of 1933.

Original patents issued prior to 1900 are tax exempt in their natural state. They only became subject to taxation due to the ignorance of the people now inhabitating those lands. So,,,,,, if an heir to a particular property exercises his/her right of heirship, then the land can be recovered and remain/regain its' tax exempt status.

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Old 02-26-2006, 06:11 PM
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Original patents issued prior to 1900 are tax exempt in their natural state.

Cite?

No more of this mere assertion crap.
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Old 02-26-2006, 06:14 PM
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Cite?

No more of this mere assertion crap.


Homestead Act of 1863... among others that were applicable under the REAL law.

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Old 02-26-2006, 06:23 PM
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Nowhere in the text is the word "tax" used. Because this is the law, subordinate agencies of government cannot add to or take away from the law.




Text of Original Homestead Act


37th Congress Session II 1862
Chapter LXXV. - An Act to secure Homesteads to actual Settlers on the Public Domain.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That any person who is the head of a family, or who has arrived at the age of twenty-one years, and is a citizen of the United States, or who shall have filed his declaration of intention to become such, as required by the naturalization laws of the United States, and who has never borne arms against the United States Government or given aid and comfort to its enemies, shall, from and after the first January, eighteen hundred and sixty-three, be entitled to enter one quarter section or a less quantity of unappropriated public lands, upon which said person may have filed a preemption claim, or which may, at the time the application is made, be subject to preemption at one dollar and twenty-five cents, or less, per acre; or eighty acres or less of such unappropriated lands, at two dollars and fifty cents per acre, to be located in a body, in conformity to the legal subdivisions of the public lands, and after the same shall have been surveyed: Provided, That any person owning and residing on land may, under the provisions of this act, enter other land lying contiguous to his or her said land, which shall not, with the land so already owned and occupied, exceed in the aggregate one hundred and sixty acres.

Sec. 2. And be it further enacted, That the person applying for the benefit of this act shall, upon application to the register of the land office in which he or she is about to make such entry, make affidavit before the said register or receiver that he or she is the head of a family, or is twenty-one years or more of age, or shall have performed service in the army or navy of the United States, and that he has never borne arms against the Government of the United States or given aid and comfort to its enemies, and that such application is made for his or her exclusive use and benefit, and that said entry is made for the purpose of actual settlement and cultivation, and not either directly or indirectly for the use of benefit of any other person or persons whomsoever; and upon filing the said affidavit with the register or receiver, and on payment of ten dollars, he or she shall thereupon be permitted to enter the quantity of land specified: Provided, however, That no certificate shall be given or patent issued therefor until the expiration of five years from the date of such entry; and if, at the expiration of such time, or at any time within two years thereafter, the person making such entry; or, if he be dead, his widow; or in case of her death, his heirs or devisee; or in case of a widow making such entry, her heirs or devisee, in case of her death; shall prove by two credible witnesses that he, she, or they have resided upon or cultivated the same for the term of five years immediately succeeding the time of filing the affidavit aforesaid, and shall make affidavit that no part of said land has been alienated, and that he has borne true allegiance to the Government of the United States; then, in such case, he, she, or they, if at that time a citizen of the United States, shall be entitled to a patent, as in other cases provided for by law: And provided, further, That in case of the death of both father and mother, leaving an infant child, or children, under twenty-one years of age, the right and fee shall enure to the benefit of said infant child or children; and the executor, administrator, or guardian may, at any time within two years after the death of the surviving parent, and in accordance with the laws of the State in which such children for the time being have their domicil, sell said land for the benefit of said infants, but for no other purpose; and the purchaser shall acquire the absolute title by the purchase, and be entitled to a patent from the United States, on payment of the office fees and sum of money herein specified.

Sec. 3. And be it further enacted, That the register of the land office shall note all such applications on the tract books and plats of his office, and keep a register of all such entries, and make return thereof to the General Land Office, together with the proof upon which they have been founded.

Sec. 4. And be it further enacted, That no lands acquired under the provisions of this act shall in any event become liable to the satisfaction of any debt or debts contracted prior to the issuing of the patent therefor.

Sec. 5. And be if further enacted, That if, at any time after the filing of the affidavit, as required in the second section of this act, and before the expiration of the five years aforesaid, it shall be proven after due notice to the settler, to the satisfaction of the register of the land office, that the person having filed such affidavit shall have actually changed his or her residence, or abandoned the said land for more than six months at any time, then and in that event the land so entered shall revert to the government.

Sec. 6. And be it further enacted, That no individual shall be permitted to acquire title to more than one quarter section under the provisions of this act; and that the Commissioner of the General Land Office is hereby required to prepare and issue such rules and regulations, consistent with this act, as shall be necessary and proper to carry its provisions into effect; and that the registers and receivers of the several land offices shall be entitled to receive the same compensation for any lands entered under the provisions of this act that they are now entitled to receive when the same quantity of land is entered with money, one half to be paid by the person making the application at the time of so doing, and the other half on the issue of the certificate by the person to whom it may be issued; but this shall not be construed to enlarge the maximum of compensation now prescribed by law for any register or receiver: Provided, That nothing contained in this act shall be so construed as to impair or interfere in any manner whatever with existing preemption rights; And provided, further, That all persons who may have filed their application for a preemption right prior to the passage of this act, shall be entitled to all privileges of this act: Provided, further, That no person who has served, or may hereafter serve, for a period of not less than fourteen days in the army or navy of the United States, either regular or volunteers under the laws thereof, during the existence of an actual war, domestic or foreign, shall be deprived of the benefits of this act on account of not having attained the age of twenty-one years.

Sec. 7. And be it further enacted, That the fifth section of the act entitled "An act in addition to an act more effectually to provide for the punishment of certain crimes against the United States, and for other purposes," approved the third of March, in the year eighteen hundred and fifty-seven, shall extend to all oaths, affirmations, and affidavits, required or authorized by this act.

Sec. 8. And be it further enacted, That nothing in this act shall be so construed as to prevent any person who has availed him or herself of the benefits of the first section of this act, from paying the minimum price, or the price to which the same may have graduated, for the quantity of land so entered at any time before the expiration of the five years, and obtaining a patent therefor from the government, as in other cases provided by law, on making proof of settlement and cultivation as provided by existing laws granting preemption rights.
APPROVED, May 20, 1862.




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Old 02-26-2006, 06:33 PM
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Exactly backwards.

Once the land patent is issued, the land ceases to be federal land and becomes property of the State ... subject to taxation.

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"Where federal land is sold to a private person, it becomes part of the general mass of property in the state and is subject to ad valorem property taxation. Oklahoma Tax Comm. v. Texas Co., 336 U.S. 342, 353, 69 S.Ct. 561, 93 L.Ed. 721 (1949). Thus, the land in this case ceased to be federal land and was subject to taxation when the unrestricted patent was issued to Boziel Paul in 1856." - Bay Mills Indian Community v. State, 244 Mich. App. 739 (2001).


Wrong.

'It is also the settled doctrine of this court that no action of ejectment will lie on such an equitable title, notwithstanding a state legislature may have provided otherwise by statute. The law is only binding on the state courts, and has no force in the circuit courts of the Union.' See, also, Foster v. Mora, 98 U.S. 425, for an assertion of the same principle.
http://www.justia.us/us/124/74/case.html

Land Patents are not understood until you get to the US Appeals level. A deed is not a title, it merely passes an interest in land to another.

"A patent for land is the highest evidence of Title and is conclusive as against the government and all claiming under junior patents or titles [United States v. Stone, 2 US 525]."

"The United States having parted with its title by a patent legally issued, and upon surveys legally made by itself and approved by the proper department can never impair the title so granted by any subsequent survey. She is no longer owner."
http://www.teamlaw.org/CagevDanks.htm
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Old 02-26-2006, 06:42 PM
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By definition a Land Patent is the only form of proof of absolute title to Land in the United States of America. “A patent is the highest evidence of title and is conclusive as against the government and all claiming under junior patents or titles” U.S. v. Stone 2 US 525. The patented “grant of land is a public law standing on the statute books of the State, and is notice to every subsequent purchaser under any conflicting sale made afterward.” Wineman v. Gastrell 2 U.S. App. 581. “State statutes that give less authoritative ownership of title than the patent can not even be brought into federal court” Langdon v. Sherwood, 124 U.S. 74, 81. Land patents are granted to the named party and to their heirs and assigns forever.
http://www.teamlaw.org/PatentHowTo.htm
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Old 02-26-2006, 07:01 PM
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Rottweiler:

You and I need to write a book on this subject.

Just kidding....

Jerry

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Notice the net effect of these Enabling Acts in relation to state taxes and state statutes:

‘After exclusive jurisdiction over lands within a State have been ceded to the United States, private property located thereon is not subject to taxation by the State, nor can state statutes enacted subsequent to the transfer have any operation therein.’ Surplus Trading Company v. Cook, 281 U.S. 647; Western Union Telegraph Co. v. Chiles, 214 U.S. 274; Arlington Hotel v. Fant, 278 U.S. 439; Pacific Coast Dairy v. Department of Agriculture, 318 U.S. 285
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