Land Patent Instructions - Page 16

#**151** 02-26-2006, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rottweiler

Notice the net effect of these Enabling Acts in relation to state taxes and state statutes:

‘After exclusive jurisdiction over lands within a State have been ceded to the United States, private property located thereon is not subject to taxation by the State, nor can state statutes enacted subsequent to the transfer have any operation therein.’ Surplus Trading Company v. Cook, 281 U.S. 647; Western Union Telegraph Co. v. Chiles, 214 U.S. 274; Arlington Hotel v. Fant, 278 U.S. 439; Pacific Coast Dairy v. Department of Agriculture, 318 U.S. 285

Rottweiler... what was the date on the Surplus Trading Company v Cook citation?

Jerry.

rottweiler · #**152** 02-26-2006, 07:13 PM

This thread will turn into book size at the rate we are going. Work with me to drive out the demon that is called RED ROOKARD.

rottweiler · #**153** 02-26-2006, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jerrypitts

Rottweiler... what was the date on the Surplus Trading Company v Cook citation?

Jerry.

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#**154** 02-26-2006, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rottweiler

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Thanks for the link.. it is also interesting that this case was decided PRIOR to the law change that occurred in 1938.. I correct myself on that previous quoted date of 1933.

Jerry.

rottweiler · #**155** 02-26-2006, 08:05 PM

Patent September 4th 1788

This patent is the third patent issued by the U.S. government. Note: Fourth line down, "for carrying into effect a contract between the United States and the State of Pennsylvania". All land patents are contracts between the original owner, his heirs and assigns and the United States, forever. Go to the U.S. constitution; Article one, Section 10 (No State shall pass laws impairing the Obligations of Contracts) There are no covenants on this patent. It was signed by President George Washington.
http://www.landrights.com/patents.htm

rottweiler · #**156** 02-26-2006, 08:08 PM

http://www.landrights.com/toppage1.htm

#**157** 02-26-2006, 08:26 PM

I have mentioned to the visitors and members of this forum many times, to read the LAW regarding to the land patent... it is the final say on the subject.

Jerry.

rottweiler · #**158** 02-26-2006, 08:59 PM

I am getting crosseyed from reading this stuff, off to bed now....................................thud.

United States v. Beggerly No. 97-731 (1998 )

The news media has kept this one quiet. This has to do with land in Louisiana. Beggerly applied for a copy of the land patent, to Horn Island he had bought at a tax sale from the state of Louisiana in 1950. He paid $51.20 for 625-acre tract. The B.L.M. did not come forth with the Land Patent to the property. The court ruled against Beggerly. Later Beggerly pressed the issue of the land patent. It was finally found. He opened the case, presented the patent to the court. the first case was over ruled in his favor. The patent was issued prior to state hood. The State acquired NO jurisdiction over the land at the time the Territory became a state. The treaty was in place. Treaties prevail. Now irony of this story is that the state of Louisiana had laid a, unlawful tax on the land, The land patent is a contract between the patentee and the U.S. "Article 1 sec 10 shall pas no Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts"
So the short of the story is, if an heir to the person who lost the land to the State of Louisiana comes forward and files ejectment action in federal court Mr. Beggerly could lose the island.
http://www.landrights.com/toppage1.htm

Glenn · #**159** 04-22-2006, 02:45 PM

Hello everyone; I see there is a lot of emotion in this forum and some of you have a basic grasp on land rights and title to land, others have some re-learning to do.

I can help if I would be allowed, I do have some background in this topic.

There are some extremely important points that must be understood.

1) Land is a physical location upon the face of the earth and covering it with water changes nothing, once a paton is issued it is on the record and can not be changed in anyway whatsoever as the orignal parties are no longer able to agree with the change. (This is the part everyone wants but think they can change it and therefore render it VOID)

2) Property is anything on the land i.e……a house, trees, sidewalk(s), driveway(s), ect….

3) Legal title, i.e….warranty deed, ect., with title insurance.

4) Any other deed other than a lawful deed.

5) A lawful deed is a clear, unclouded chain from the holder backwards to the land paten without a break or blemish.

There are a other points to consider such as the act of congress that authorized the sale of the land from public to private. Without the act you do not know where you are or where you need to start.

If any would like help I would be more that happie to tell them what is required to protect there intrest but the UCC can only work if you have a right to the land and not just an intrest in a note!

Blessings
Glenn

Livefire · #**160** 04-22-2006, 04:25 PM

Glenn,

A quick question for you. At some time in the future I would like to purchase land and put a home upon it. In order to use a land patent to keep the state out of my wallet in the form of property tax, is it necessary to have the land paid off in full or can I still get off the tax rolls while paying off a note?