Quitclaim Form

[mrg]

Originally Posted by Codee

I am the source of law. I do not need to "support" what I create.

It is your obligation to support you liberty, not mine.

If you want me to stand up for you, you can send me some money; Thats the way it works in my land.

I am guessing since you avoided the whole native american thing that you do not support

1) prior claims
2) sovereignty
3) Giving equally for your takings
4) Life free of small pox

Do you support...

1) Taking land by murder (makes adverse possesion seem like cupcakes)

2) Using biological small pox to aquire your land that you "Worked hard and honest for"

3) Native Americans entering your house with a 500 yr old deed and scalping your invading ass.

Adverse possestion!!!

BAH!! YOUR WHOLE @#$@# COUNTRY WAS TAKEN BY MURDER

Nice.

There is a pre-eminent linguist who writes very compellingly on such matters and the consequent proceedings.

[Codee]

who??? do tell.

[fulltitle]

Without Prejudice.
The notion of taking or possessing land mereby by cultivating it and standing on it being it is not something new. The U.S. Navy has Marines for this very reason to take land by 'pedis posessio'. Call it 'law of the foot' if you like?

Also, conceivably, a claim to a piece of land could be accomplished by running a public notice inviting anyone with a claim to a piece of land to give some type of answer within thirty days and by sending notice to those believed to have interest in the land and giving them time to answer.

Speaking of history: Perhaps a big reason for the slaughter of the American Indians/Moors was to 'reduce' their ability to stand on the land by umm causing their death? Consider that you ran an ad giving someone 30 days to contravert your claim to their land however they dont read the newspaper. Within thirty (30) days you try to move in: well they would be standing on the land still and you might have problems even though you maybe 'quieted title' some how. Possession is one thing. Title is another. And perhaps for reasons obviated by the foregoing. Perhaps it might be clear as to why 'land sharks' might be interested in what old man/woman is about to die with lots of land and with no known heirs (can you say..probate).

[Notorial dissent]

OK, first and foremost, there is no such thing as unclaimed land in this day and age. Someone, somewhere owns it. It may not be obvious to you who that someone is, but somewhere there is an owner. If you want to know who owns a given piece of property there are two places you can check with, either the local tax assessor’s office, or the city or county office that records land ownership, usually the county/city clerk, or recorder of deeds if there is one. One or the other will be able to tell you who the current owner of record is depending on the information you give them.

[mrg]

Originally Posted by Notorial dissent

OK, first and foremost, there is no such thing as unclaimed land in this day and age. Someone, somewhere owns it.

It may not be obvious to you who that someone is, but somewhere there is an owner.

If you want to know who owns a given piece of property there are two places you can check with, either the local tax assessor’s office, or the city or county office that records land ownership, usually the county/city clerk, or recorder of deeds if there is one.

One or the other will be able to tell you who the current owner of record is depending on the information you give them.

What is your definition of "owner?"

I cannot see that anyone other than the "municipal taxing corporation" can claim "ownership."

Do not "pay" "pro-per-ty" "taxes" and one will find out who claims "ownership," and what the ultimate instrument to assert and enforce the claim of ownership is, in case one vehemently insists they actually "own" anything, and defends their "right" to "property."

In the Congressional Record, 73rd Congress 1st Session Senate Document 43 there is an interesting statement regarding "ownership" of "property."

[Notorial dissent]

It is very simple, DON”T pay your property taxes, and someone else will own it. It isn’t rocket science, it isn’t magic, it just is.

[jdogpupil]

Originally Posted by fulltitle

Also, conceivably, a claim to a piece of land could be accomplished by running a public notice inviting anyone with a claim to a piece of land to give some type of answer within thirty days...

I enjoyed that post. Very eloquent. Does this constitute a claim to title by way of "estoppel"?

I'm trying to understand the term better but I imagine that your hypothesis is a fair example.

[mrg]

Originally Posted by Notorial dissent

It is very simple, DON”T pay your property taxes, and someone else will own it.

It isn’t rocket science, it isn’t magic, it just is.

I think my version is more to the point.

Yours is bit of circumlocution.

Who says they are MY property taxes?

If they were MINE, would I not be the owner, and thus en-titled to keep them?

Are the property taxes property?

What does "it just is," purport to represent?

Your statement does not make sense.

If one "owns" something outright, how, other than by theft or feud, enforced by arms, can it be confiscated for failure to pay a ransom to a strongarm protection racket?

Did I mention rocket science or magic?

Are you certain that "property tax" is not a euphemism?

Did you substantialy address anything I posted?

I find nothing.

What is your definition of the infinitive "to own?"

[fulltitle]

Originally Posted by Notorial dissent

OK, first and foremost, there is no such thing as unclaimed land in this day and age. Someone, somewhere owns it. It may not be obvious to you who that someone is, but somewhere there is an owner. If you want to know who owns a given piece of property there are two places you can check with, either the local tax assessor’s office, or the city or county office that records land ownership, usually the county/city clerk, or recorder of deeds if there is one. One or the other will be able to tell you who the current owner of record is depending on the information you give them.

Without Prejudice.
Is there such a thing as abandoned land? Also, not all land is on a County/City Assessor's "books" and for good reason.

[fulltitle]

Originally Posted by jdogpupil

I enjoyed that post. Very eloquent. Does this constitute a claim to title by way of "estoppel"?

I'm trying to understand the term better but I imagine that your hypothesis is a fair example.

Without Prejudice.
Yes estoppel comes into play. "Notice and grace" also comes into play. See also: quiet title, lis pendens.

If you have land at Texas and I run notice in the newspaper for 30 days and actually mail you in say Los Angeles to inquire if anyone has a claim conflicting with mine then after 30 days no one bothers to contact me, I can rightfully presume that the land is abandoned or that no one else has a conflicting claim. I can in good conscience take taking possession. If anyone tries to give me trouble, I can point to papers on file with the Recorder: 1) copy of mailed notices, 2) registered mail stubs, 3) copy of notice in the newspaper, 4) copy of notices to sheriff/clerk, secretary of State, etc.

Now, obviously, if I see men or women (of any skin tone) standing on a piece of land and cultivating it, I wouldnt bother with such land (farmland, a piece of land with a fence and a house and mowed grass, etc.). But as for an un-fenced piece of land with plantlife growing wildly, I dont see why doing something as I have alluded to would hurt anyone. I have seen thousands of miles of the American countryside and there is plenty of land available, the issue is gaining or perfecting access to highways, roads or the like from the land.