Manorialism vs. Feudalism

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Without Prejudice.

Feudalism vs. manorialism

· Feudalism

o "A set of social and political practices, relationships among nobles (roughly equals)"

o Firmly established only ca. 900-ca.1050

o Based on land possession (the fief)

o Not so dependent a relationship

· Manorialism

o "A set of social and economic practices, relationships among nobles and commoners (not equals)"

o Originated in late Roman period, possibly earlier (freemen and coloni becoming serfs)

o Based on hierarchy, exploitation, need for protection
o A dependent relationship[more]

Here are som links and info concerning 'manorialism' vs. 'feudalism' and 'allodialism'. Perhaps see also: seignorialism.

[David Merrill]

Cool! This is the opening chapters of Tragedy and Hope; A history of the world in our time by Carroll Quigley revisited!

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Without Prejudice.
Haven't read it but....





http://hiddenmysteries.com/xcart/pro...roductid=16202

[David Merrill]

Yep! Some 1500 pages of revealing history.

Maybe we should go into that book? Another thread? I don't have a copy but would borrow my friend's; he asked me to mark it up, highlight it so I had three different colored highlighters...

I think yellow was religious revelation, green was Illuminati revelation and blue was occult insight. I have some quotations in an old journal. I used to go over to my Dad's and read the WWII Appeasement history out loud to him because he can't read anymore. He would cut in and recall a lot of interesting stuff. It was slow but well worthwhile to read Tragedy and Hope that way.

Back to Manorialism and Feudalism...

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Without Prejudice.
You know..its interesting that there is a unique flavour of Manorialism known as "muscovite manorialism". (Yeah thats 'muscovite' as in "Moscow").

And for some reason I'm reminded in "Torrens systems" countries seems that parties to any "real estate agreement" are encouraged to all have a lawyer and the selections of style of ownership that tend to appear in the standard agreements may very well tend to be void of the term "freehold".

Anyway...'muscovite manorialism'....

The major difference between the Kievian manorial system and European feudalism is vested in the fact that lands granted by a prince to a knight held no obligation; that is to say if the knight wished to leave the service of the prince, which usually expect loyalty, he was able to do so with no obligation whatsoever and was also able to retain possession of the granted land. Therefore, the political structure created by the Western European feudalism was not transferred to the Rus' by its manorial system. Rather, the manorial system was more of an economic control.

[charlesa6]

I haven't read it yet, but the pictures look very interesting.

[David Merrill]

THE BRITISH IMPERIAL CRISIS TO 1926 - Page 127

In England, the landed class obtained control of the bar and the bench and were, thus, in a position to judge all disputes about real property in their favor. Control of the courts and of the Parliament made it possible for this ruling group to override the rights of peasants in land, to eject them from the land, to enclose the open fields of the medieval system, to deprive the cultivators of their manorial rights and thus reduce them to the condition of landless rural laborers or tenants.

I got hold of a severely abridged version of Tragedy and Hope. "Manorial" only appears once and "feudal" not at all. So whoever was trimming the book had something other than this thread topic in mind...


Interesting paragraph, typical of the entire book.



Regards,

David Merrill.