have driver, will screw

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

THEY are definitely pulling off another Great Depression- choking off the money supply:

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...iallyOver.aspx

What I fail to understand is how it will make too much of a difference, since there really is still a lot of money out there. Maybe its just a controlled reduction, in certain sectors. Makes sense- the big ones need to buy up all the assets just the same, and it helps to put the squeeze on the folk.

We are screwed.

[trooper2ls]

The main cause of the great depression was the fact there was not enough money in circulation to purchase all the goods and services that were out there. Prior to the FDR executive order our currency was actually backed by gold and silver. The roaring 20's saw a sharp increase in demand for all sorts of new products and services and there was not enough money in circulation to keep up with the growth.

With a debt based society this won't be an issue because money is created out of thin air and is technically backed by all the property and people.

Personally I'm more concerned about the runaway cost of energy which affects all sectors. Also wheat has doubled in price in the past few weeks. The excuse for it is that farmers this past season planted more corn for ethanol production causing a shortage.

This is going to cause a ripple effect over the course of the year because now in addition to paying $4.00 / gallon for gasoline the cost of food is going to jump too. Of course all of this is going on at the same time that the energy companies are posting record profits.

As far as credit cards go .. a quote from the article you linked:

"Stop playing the game. Carrying credit card balances not only costs you money, but it leaves you vulnerable to the changing whims of card issuers. Resolve to win the game the best way you can: by not carrying balances or paying interest."

..J

[ezrhythm]

And with a staggering amount of families that have no savings and the banks increasing the restrictions on loans the supply of money is shrinking

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

The next step is outright grants and benefits for loyalists. Then, a hierarchy of status for the mice to scramble.

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/Depart...Gone&GT1=10887

Speaking of energy

http://www.water4gas.com/2books.htm

Any comments? I'd like to use this system. I have been running my diesel engine with store-bought veggie oil, but where I am the price is now the same as petro-diesel.

[trooper2ls]

I didn't buy the "water4gas" book but built one for my Volvo and yes it increases the mileage significantly. I'm working on a new "better" one.

http://www.thejoecell.com/

The joe cell seems to have promise as people have died and been threatened who have demonstrated this technology.

Bio-diesel from waste fats and wood gassification are 2 other areas I have been experimenting with for the past year. Additionally I modified the oil heat in our house to run waste veg oil.

There is a forum on Yahoo called alt.fuel.furnace that covers the conversion aspects. This year I have burned about 1200 gallons of free fuel to heat my house...small restaurants are glad to get rid of their oil as they are paying to have it picked up now.

..J

[Livefire]

The results for HHO gas systems seem to be more consistent and the installation is far easier. I understand that the timing has to be significantly advanced for a joe cell powered car to operate properly. Joe cells dont always work either. Orgone is such a funny thing! LOL Mad props to you for your work in alternate energy! Keep it up!

[trooper2ls]

My initial experiments with Joe Cell has been using the browns gas as a suppliment to the regular fuel. I have not attempted to run without gas at all. With the Joe Cell design vs. the standard HHO electrolizer I have found the quantity of gas released is significanly more for the same amount of electrical input. I have also found that adding a small amount of glucose to the water makes the process more efficient.

It has always been accepted by the establishment that living cells used glucose as a form of energy. Recent scientific studies (borrowing from nature) have shown that glucose acts as a catalyst that significantly weakens the bonds between the H and the O in the water making it more efficient to seperate. These new studies suggest that living cells actually obtain their energy from Hydrogen.

It makes sense.. Water + glucose + Oxygen = Energy + CO2. Nature is pretty damn clever.

..J

[rottweiler]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=7

[ThomPaine]

I have met with someone who designs and builds HHO generators for himself and for sale. I met him at his shop and spent about 3 hours going through everything with him. His daily driver is a ford f-150 pickup that is less than 10 years old and he gets about 35 mpg from it on a regular basis. A mutual aquaintence of ours has a Cummins Dodge 2500 and he gets about the same on the higway, less in the city. Small cars like Civics and Corrollas are getting 50-70 mpg depending on year, model, etc.

I will hopefully be purchasing a kit from him soon to try on my daily driver. I would prefer to purchase a PICC and HHO together, but they are still too expensive, even for the proven results of 80 MPG on a new Honda Civic.

With upgraded batteries on a Prius, 150 MPG has been achieved. The technology exists to do this stuff now. General Motors wont sell and you wont hear about it on CNN, so if you want it, get out and buy it or make it.