Off Grid Living

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

thanks bogeyman. Sounds like you got this down.

In simple terms, how would the solar stuff work?

So you've got the panels, an inverter, & batteries, right?

So the panels hook up to the batteries, but what does the inverter do?

Also, where do you hook up everything to?

I've worked with it a little bit ;)

As someone here pointed out- The output of the electrical generator/solar panels/windmill goes to the battery bank- RV/Marine duty. THERE SHOULD BE A CHARGE REGULATOR IN BETWEEN THE TWO. OR you will have to check the charge status manually to prevent over charging the batteries.

The the output of the Converter is hooked up to the house. There are two way to do this.

First thing to do is go to your breaker box and throw the MAIN breaker to the "OFF" position. This isolates your home from the rest of the power grid.

One make an extention cord with two male plugs. This cord should be of NO BIGGER wire guage that the home wiring. This cord can be used from the output of the DC-AC converter to the home, ( any outlet will do). The problem inherent in this- is....all the power is being drawn through one 20 Amp circuit. If you have more than 20Amps of draw you will blow the circuit or melt wires. BE very aware if you hook up like this. Feel the cord from the inverter to the house- for being very warm to hot. That is sign of too much current being drawn. If the cord is hot- so is the wiring in your walls. That is why I say make the cord of the same guage wire as what is in your walls. Typically this is 16ga wire.

Now if your a bit more electrically inclined-

On the "Home" side of the main breaker- wire in a Female plug to the buss bars. ( the buss bars feed Power and Neutral to all the other circuit breakers in the home- after it comes off the power grid and into the main breaker).

Doing this is NOT CODE- but it does make it easier to plug in to the house wiring directly- and give you the normal circuit protection of the breakers. It gives you the ability to shut down certain areas of the home when not in use.


Now For educational purposes ONLY

The White wire is Neutral. it will tingle you, but not kill you. Don't try and see- just for fun either.

The Black wire is HOT- this is the one that will knock you on your butt- if your lucky.

The Green wire- or also Bare wire is the Ground wire. This gives a path to ground in case of a malfunction int he system. it is for SAFTEY.


On wiring plugs- you have three connections.

One Brass, One Silver and One Green

Black wire to Brass connection,

White wire to Silver connection

Green/Bare wire to Green connection.

When wiring be sure the power is NOT ON/ Present. A cheapy test light will work just fine. If you want to pop for a Volt meter/Volt Ohm Meter( VOM) Digital Volt Meter (DVM) thats fine too.

Some will argue you can do the wiring with the power on- that is true. However I watched a guy get electrocuted and his hands and feet turned to dust in a pillar of smoke. I'm not that brave- or in that much of a hurry. BTW he had been a plant electrician for some 25 years when this happened to him. BE CAREFUL!!!!! Electricity is basic but you MUST treat it with respect.


Now on the subject of power generation. I use the two KNOWN and availible items of windmills and SP's because they are known to work. I'm not ripping anyone here. I have seen a few things like Hydrogen Powercell, Humming bird generators, ect. I didn't use them simply because I haven't had the time to verify if they will indeed work. I would love to do that- as my backround is uniquely suited to building and testing these items. As of yet I can not say one way or the other. I have aline on gentleman that wants to show me some things from hydrogen from water. that would solve alot of issues.

I have more but I will pick it up in the "survivial thread"


Fultitle- Biodiesel... I have a freind of mine that has been making and running biodiesel for some time. It works great. To get around the germs/bacteria issue he mixes 10% gasoline in with his Bio for storage. It kills the germs/bacteria and helps the diesel stay fluid in the cold temps we have here.... two for one.

Duh I guess this is the survial thread- Accuse me a paying attention will ya



Ok for apartment dwellers- swapping batterys in and out may work- but is very very cumbersome.

If you want to keep the batteries charged to full bore I think you have one option. That is using a solar panels. If the electric grid goes down- what are you going to do at work? With the current level of Exectutive Orders being everything gets confiscated- food, fuel, power generation ect- I don't think staying inthe city is viable option. In fact I think that is where marshall law would be imposed first.

In the country we have a fighting chance- so that is where I put my thought to. Completely off the grid. we have a water supply- I am building a wind mill from car parts- and a barn fan- the tripod is made out of ten foot lengths of water pipe to make it portable.

However- If I was in an Apt. I would get a solar panel and put it in the window for recharging. Who watched "Soylent Green" with Charleston Heston.???? Remember the bike with the alternator hooked up to it? That could be a great generator right there. There are lots of GM alternators that are one wire hook up ( internal regulator). Actually you would need two wires. One from the output of the alternator to the Positive side of the Battery, One wire from the case of the alternator to the Negative side of the battery. You would just need to come up with a mount for the both of them, and affix a sprocket to the alternator. Or possibly even drive the alternator pulley by the rear tire on the bike. Just make sure it is turning in the proper direction. Just a few thoughts.

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by suijuris

Guys, thank you all who have contributed to this thread.

This thread has inspired me to create an 'Living & Survival' forum as I believe the subject deserves its own forum.

Enjoy!

Thank You So Very, Very much

Another Building Block of the House of Freedom - No Doubt

Originally Posted by weasel

or, you could go the whole way and run your car on all water. i have yet to see it demonstrated though. or debunked, for that matter.

Talk to any chemist and unless the laws of thermodynamics and physics as we currently comprehend them can be circumvented I doubt what you state is possible.

All matter can exist in several forms. Solid, Liquid, Gas, Plasma, but have different states of natural existence. I.e. Water is usually a liquid in its natural state. It can be cooled in which case it becomes ice, or heated in which case it becomes a vapor we call steam. To alter these natural states requires energy. Water itself will not "burn" like hydrogen will because it is a stable compound with some fairly strong electrochemical bonds. Hydrogen though is very reactive and with a relatively small amount of energy it will react. (A reason we put Helium (He) in birthday balloons because it is not as reactive as hydrogen. Think Hindenburg. Of course the sealer used on the fabric is similar to what we use in the solid rocket fuel boosters on the space shuttle today didn't help it either, but that is another story). Anyway a small spark will cause an explosion with sufficiently contained hydrogen gas. When this energy is harnessed it can be converted into mechanical or motive energy. The problem with hydrogen is creating it. It requires a certain amount of electrical energy to split H2O bonds (2H2O into 2H2 O2) through electrolysis. Although this can be done efficiently, when recombined through burning in an internal combustion engine or even through a fuel cell, there is a certain amount of energy that is difficult to recapture and is lost through heat dissipation. The best we can hope for right now in chemical reactions is a 1 to 1 ratio which is perfect conversion of energy without any loss; however as explained when burning hydrogen or any other compound (which basically is a chemical reaction) some of the energy is lost through heat and therefore an engine will never be able to produce more energy than it consumes to keep it running.

Now for ambient electrical devices, pulling from the "aether" as Tesla called it, that may be a different story. The Universe is constantly in motion and all of these atoms moving around give off energy. If that can be tapped and harnessed then the device is does not need to "produce" more energy than it consumes because it is simply tapping an energy source and putting it to productive use and not converting energy from one form to another as is done with automobiles and generators. i.e. We burn coal to convert water to steam which is used to power a turbine. This is energy conversion rather than tapping an harnessing a direct source.

The earth itself is an electrical conductor and has an electro-magnetic field that can be tapped. Nathan B. Stubblefield of Murray Kentucky powered the first wireless "radio" transmission with an "Earth Battery" in 1882. He received a patent in 1898. Tesla, the only respectable scientist continued some of Stubblefield’s experiments and is now generally credited with inventing modern radio based upon the requirements Stubblefield set forth as a true "wireless or radio broadcast". Tesla himself also proved that the Earth is one giant conductor as well in later years with his experiments with the largest Tesla Coil ever build near Colorado Springs. He sent electricity through the earth that rippled like a rock in water, when the signal came back he amplified and sent it again. Forgetting the generators at the power station several miles away were Grounded he produced such an electrical field that he fried the generators and killed all power to Colorado Springs. That was basically the end of his career as no one would fund any more of his experiments.

So to answer your question, you can run your car on all water, it is called steam locomotion, and there is no "Debunking" necessary if one has a basic grasp of chemistry and physics, and the laws of thermodynamics water by itself will not power anything, but it can be converted to productive use with the application of energy through heat or electricity. It is a molecule that has the necessary elements when separated to produce great amounts of energy when recombined after having been split apart. Can we do this cost effectively in amounts to large enough to supplant the hydrocarbon fuels we use today is the question. Yes. Through Solar and Wind powered electrolysis. Think of the business southern California, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, Florida etc., could have by having these electrolysis plants creating hydrogen from the sun. Think of the Midwest and Northern plains states that have a lot of flat ground so the winds just come blowing through.

The thing is someone must produce these products, and someone must want them. As an example Weis and others have discussed diesel engines etc. Did you know the Ford Ranger comes with a Small 3.0 Liter Diesel? Well not in the North American market but just about everywhere else it does. Check out the Ford Motor Company in Brazil. https://www.ford.com.br/Default.asp

BTW, Weis, I been searchin here in North America to no avail. Let me know when you're ready to make a road trip to Brazil.

As with the "classical" understanding of the legal system, I believe it's important to understand that there's also a veil of "classical" understanding of chemistry and physics pulled over our heads. Why wouldn't they hide free energy resources and knowledge from us, if it means core control over our present lifestyle thru oil and natural gas prices?

Who pays to have an education plan put in place where we are ridiculed for questioning concepts like overunity machines, irregardless of which "fuel" is used.

It is not hard to find new concepts and experimental results if one is willing to look outside your average library or bookstore.

Searching for Zero Point Energy yields an abundance of information. For instance on plasma electrolysis of water, requiring low power, thereby yielding overunity energy.

I picked one interesting "guide" into this adjusted world of knowledge about physics and chemistry, Prof. M Kanarev. Check out the eyebrows. ;)
http://guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/ene...rev/index.html

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you are absolutely correct in pointing out the key phrase, "the laws of thermodynamics and physics as we currently comprehend them". That was intentional; however as you imply, when one learns and observes how things work sometimes we are learning where the walls of the box are. Sometimes it is difficult to realize it is not really a 3 dimensional box you're looking at but a 2-dimentional line from an angle that makes it look like a wall.

One of my EE friends said it's like using Einsteins theories in the development of nuclear power. His theories are the trunk of a tree, and we discovered a branch called nuclear power. Now we are proceeding to walk all the way out on the limb forgetting there is a trunk to climb with many more branches attached. In other words what he was saying was that there are/were many promising discoveies well over 100 years ago that have just been sitting there undeveloped because everyone was on a quest for nuclear power, or oil power, and simply forgot or ignored doing further research because it wasn't well accepted, established, or popular.

We've discussed trying to find some details of Tesla's late work replicate on a small scale and continue from there, but I wonder what would happen if some irrational man who carries a gun and works for a piece of paper called the United States might do if he found out we were building Tesla Coils. We discussed that also and figured we might just get shot without warning to protect the profits of the military industrial complex controlled by the few.

Thanks for the link, I'll do some reading.

Regards,
Saga..

Very sound observations about branching (and dead ending) from you and your EE friend, I concur 100%.

If you're interested in building another Tesla application, here's a link. Also check the other cool applications on that site.

Speaking of people building free energy machines, trying to get a patent only to have their work and plans confiscated by ABCs, maybe there's a higher and not too oblique spiritual lesson in that...

In light of the massive concentration of power to those who control oil and gas on this globe, wouldn't it be prudent to allow free energy to stay free, meaning publish the technology as open source and put it on the public record in your local county courthouse, as someone here did with an RF transmitter that cured SARS, (if I'm not mistaken). Right after the knowledge was put in the public domain, supposedly the SARS media hysteria died down and hasn't been heard of since............

http://www.fuellesspower.com/tesla.html

Oh, it looks like they have a plan of the Tesla Coil too...
http://www.fuellesspower.com/teslacoil2.htm
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[weasel]

I read on the net that China was using that very thing, RF transmitters, to combat SARS. my aunt lives there, she might know something concrete.

Sagan, I mean Sagas, are you saying you've checked out the plans scattered across the net for running a car on water via electrolysis? Every variation on the idea? I know its not the same as adding water to gasoline--we've done that for years--but I wouldn't throw it out the window. I guess what I mean is that I'm going to experiment with it before I move on to more difficult things, like free energy. The only overunity devices that seem to be producing large amounts of energy are the testatika and the Moray device, both of which aren't very easily accessible.

I too am stoked about this forum.

...DEFINITELY gonna check out that lens. It looks like a better alternative to a parabolic reflector---the good ones are 100s. Steam power is simple, and if it works, why mess with it.

Originally Posted by weasel

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Sagan, I mean Sagas, are you saying you've checked out the plans scattered across the net for running a car on water via electrolysis? Every variation on the idea? I know its not the same as adding water to gasoline--we've done that for years--but I wouldn't throw it out the window. I guess what I mean is that I'm going to experiment with it before I move on to more difficult things, like free energy. The only overunity devices that seem to be producing large amounts of energy are the testatika and the Moray device, both of which aren't very easily accessible.

I too am stoked about this forum.

...DEFINITELY gonna check out that lens. It looks like a better alternative to a parabolic reflector---the good ones are 100s. Steam power is simple, and if it works, why mess with it.

Nope haven't checked out every varation of the idea. I guess if you could combine 2H2O + O2 you would get 2H2O2 or H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide). We run into the first 2 laws of thermodynamics and something called entropy though. I think it takes much more energy to make H2O2 than H2O from combining Hydrogen and Oxygen since Hydrogen is more reactive by itself than it is when it is already combined with oxygen in the form of water. Also Electrolysis powered by solar electric is relatively inexpensive and approaches the 100% effeciency mark in conversion of energy. I guess I could always put some water in my experimental engine and observe what happens but I doubt it will run.

Agree with with your comments about the lens and the forum.

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When it's up -this site is a good info site on rf-. RF has been used in South Africa too for years because they could not afford the drug cocktail and the rf devices are cheap and they work better. So the South African government passed a law stating that all doctors must try the rife first before drug cocktails! (This site if it is the one run by the moderator from the yahoo rifers group contains clinical testing results that show rifing was successful with arthritis!) http://www.rifeforum.com/ Here's another: http://www.rife.org/

http://www.otherpower.com/ The cutting edge of low tech!

Here's a tip for any of you who hear about the high mileage carborator. They no longer will function properly due to the fuel additives the oil companies begun adding a few years back. They muck up the reaction because they all have different temerature at which they breakdown. You would need your own clean, refined gas to make them run. Oddly the additives were touted as making the car more economical!