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Old 09-08-2005, 09:51 AM
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Unhappy NWO, Police State and Real Options....

Reading some of the topics since New Orleans was leveled has me mildly amused.

Here are some basic thoughts....

1. As valiant a fight it may be to get rid of your SSN, stop paying taxes, get out of the driver's license scheme, etc., what good does any of that really serve but paint you with a neon bullseye for the powers that be to home in on?

2. Although I believe it's very possible New Orleans' destruction was largely part of a NWO test for the coming police state, how does ranting and raving over it really help us deal with what is coming?

3. I went to law school foolishly believing that I could make a difference. I didn't think life was fair, but I thought the law was just...that it was crooked lawyers twisting just law to do injustice. I quickly learned the law itself was crooked beyond repair.

In the end, my conclusion was this....there is a lot more of THEM than there is of US. I know if enough of us woke up to what was going on and resisted, it would shatter their scheme, but that goal is largely unrealistic.

So, as I see things, I have two basic options:

A. Rant, rave and rage against the machine with all my might. Make myself a public spectacle and pariah who can't get a job and everyone thinks is a loon in an effort to convince every Sheeple I encounter that the evil secret government and thier Illuminati-type controllers are out to ensalve and slaughter the masses.

B. Enjoy life, keep my eyes open, put my contingency plan in place, and be ready to head for the hills when the ballon goes up.

Frankly, I embrace option B. I've tried to warn people. The masses just don't listen and won't do anything to see the truth until some soldier (or state trooper) puts a gun in their face and tells them to lick their boots or die. The few who do listen, I've come to realize, are best reached with much more subtlety. So many want to paint the New Orleans disaster as a NWO experiment. That may be the case, but we will never get enough proof to expose it as such....the people holding the reins of power will see to that.

Bit by bit, I'm putting as much of my "bug out" bag together as I can. I need to do a lot more, but I'm contrained by finances. I know areas I can go, and my first priority will be to find others who are willing to help me in exchange for my knowledge, skills and labor. Otherwise, I'll keep doing things playing by "their" rules because it might keep me a "slave" but it also gives me the maximum latitude to operate to put my "escape plan" together.

When the poop hits the fan, the state will be too busy rounding up the lemmings to worry about those who decide not to comply. They will come for us AFTER the masses are under control, not before.

Likewise, I think a lot of us are railing over the wrong things. Maybe it's defeatism to say we won't win the war on the USA becoming a police state. The warning was sounded long ago, the masses refuesed to listen, now the police state is pretty much already here. I think we should plan for how we will stay outside once we are made outlaws by government decree for not lining up and going to the camps as ordered. Everything else is just not practical or getting the results we really are hoping for.

Not that a miracle can't happen to turn back the tide, but I don't expect enough people to come and see the light without a major disaster forcing the police state into action BEFORE the time is right, exposing it for the monster it really is. That's just my pragmatic viewpoint.

Feel free to debate.
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Old 09-13-2005, 10:08 PM
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Perhaps you should consider Costa Rica my research seems to indicate that it is friendly towards america,other americans there lats year about 100k moved there,frn friendly (good exchange rate)you can also be become a citizen of there while living here and simply earn at least 30 k here(New Requirement).A recent drawback however,a recent outbreak of about 2k case of denge fever.I myself choose to make every attempt to leave the being numbered and licensed not because i am trying to achieve a strategic victory but because i think god does not want us to be part of the babylonian system.If i were not married i might not be here but in Costa Rica.My wife wants to stay here and inspite of the many things i haved told her that has come to pass its still on her part refusal to believe it will get worse.
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Old 09-13-2005, 11:35 PM
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Option C:

Have serious and informative discussions with others in your community, keeping informed on current proposed local legislation, keeping in contact with your local representatives so as to keep them informed of your wishes in regards to current proposed local legislation and possibly running for a local office in order to effect change.

Option D:

Become a major Hollywood Star which will allow you to reach more people through major media outlets, including movies.


**No ranting, raving or making a public spectacle of yourself is necessary in order to DO something to effect change.**

The enjoyment of life doesn't stop when one gets involved with these issues.

Your post informs of the stand you have taken as well as your preconceived notions about others that are resisting what they feel is an "intrusive" and overbearing government.

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Old 09-14-2005, 09:00 AM
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Reading some of the topics since New Orleans was leveled has me mildly amused.

Here are some basic thoughts....


2. Although I believe it's very possible New Orleans' destruction was largely part of a NWO test for the coming police state, how does ranting and raving over it really help us deal with what is coming?

That's just my pragmatic viewpoint.

Feel free to debate.

Training for the coming police state?

I double-triple dog dare you to say that face to face with a Katrina victim and see if you don't get your ass kicked, and hard.

You're just as bad as a religious fanatic who's trying to blame the hurricane victims themselves for pissing-off God with their partying ways, or America for allowing the Jews to leave Gaza, or some other stupid, assinine, INSANE explanation.

Was the gov't's response inept? Sure, at all levels. Was everyone who was warned to get out(for the last 25 years)make an effort to get out? No.
Catastrophy made worse due to apathy? Absolutely.

NWO Conspiracy? Sure, sure, and I'm Mick Jagger.

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Old 09-14-2005, 09:12 AM
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Tommygun,

Is that post really necessary? I understand outrage but please modify your post. This tradegy has already happened and there is no need for rudeness towards the other party.

Kindly use the edit button and present your position differently without offending the individual.

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Old 09-14-2005, 09:20 AM
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Tommygun,

Is that post really necessary? I understand outrage but please modify your post. This tradegy has already happened and there is no need for rudeness towards the other party.

Kindly use the edit button and present your position differently without offending the individual.

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Old 09-14-2005, 10:03 AM
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My NWO statement wasn't meant to offend.

It is a fact that the Constitution largely is non-existent, and it is blatantly evident in NO and other affected areas. Blackwater private security goons are in NO now. The "authorities" are seizing weapons from law-abiding people. They admit that they will force people from their homes (even though the flood waters did not affect many of them). Much of how the situation is creating a de facto "police state?"

Maybe the reason there was so much incompetence is because they really didn't want to prevent a disaster. We will never know that. It's others who promote that the NWO is behind it. I was just admitting that I think it's possible that was true.
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Old 09-14-2005, 10:11 AM
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Good Bye, Tommygun.

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My NWO statement wasn't meant to offend.

It is a fact that the Constitution largely is non-existent, and it is blatantly evident in NO and other affected areas. Blackwater private security goons are in NO now. The "authorities" are seizing weapons from law-abiding people. They admit that they will force people from their homes (even though the flood waters did not affect many of them). Much of how the situation is creating a de facto "police state?"

Maybe the reason there was so much incompetence is because they really didn't want to prevent a disaster. We will never know that. It's others who promote that the NWO is behind it. I was just admitting that I think it's possible that was true.

Anyone interested in reading your statment would have understood the point that you were attemping to make. However, some people just want to create confusion. I feel that this was what Tommygun was doing.

Good bye, Tommygun.

By the way, the federal govenment is dangerous and largely useless, unless you like disarming, and hunting down, citizens, and dishonoring the Constitution, etc.. The New Orleans situation should make this painfully clear. The feds should get a Pain medal for being so inept and contemptible:

http://forum.suijuris.net/showthread.php?t=3688
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Old 09-15-2005, 10:37 AM
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I think the rebels in IRAQ are giving you a great example of how to rebuff a police state.

As you can surmise.....I hold little faith the US will turn from the path it is currently on. However we do have a responsiblity that when our government fails to act in our best interest- to remove it. First by peaceful means- then by whatever means neccessary.

The U.S. has the best equipped troops in the world- yet they are made a mockery of by the guerrila tactics used by the rebels/insurgents. How many more here will take up that mindset when they realize what has been done- thats anyones guess.
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Old 09-15-2005, 10:12 PM
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Training for the coming police state?

I double-triple dog dare you to say that face to face with a Katrina victim and see if you don't get your ass kicked, and hard.

You're just as bad as a religious fanatic who's trying to blame the hurricane victims themselves for pissing-off God with their partying ways, or America for allowing the Jews to leave Gaza, or some other stupid, assinine, INSANE explanation.

Was the gov't's response inept? Sure, at all levels. Was everyone who was warned to get out(for the last 25 years)make an effort to get out? No.
Catastrophy made worse due to apathy? Absolutely.

NWO Conspiracy? Sure, sure, and I'm Mick Jagger.
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