NWO, Police State and Real Options....

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by fulltitle

Without Prejudice.
Perhaps that was the very point of the war?

Yes, I tend to agree, at least in part. The bottom line is that the U.S.A. had no good basis to invade Iraq, since the INTEL was based on LIES! Now the best option is to bring the troops home!

Remember also that wars may take place with, or without, shots being fired. To paraphrase Niccolò Machiavelli, or perhaps Sun Tzu (I cannot locate the exact quote): During war, plan for peace. During peace, plan for war. This seems to be the outlook of a number of office holders for quite some time.

It is self-evident that this cesspool (based on: rob, rape, enslave, murder thy neighbor for fun and profit) is being spread around the globe with military force, as Bush says, you are either with us or against us.

Then this administration goes on to say that we are involved in a war that's going to last sixty years! They don't even bother to offer any concrete basis for this outrageous estimate, what will stop the war from going to one hundred years or more? How long did WWI and WWII last? Isn't this Perpetual War? It certainly is not about the defense of the nation.

Yes, the Perpetual War that was warned of by the Constitutional framers, the sort of war to profit the politically corupt at the expense of the people. Yet the people, seeing this, still seem unable to unite against this global disaster. After a sixty years bloodbath, does anyone think the cesspool will somehow cleanse itself? Or will the cesspool seek out and destroy the uncorrupted, and swoon over their New World Order (NWO)?

I will conclude with the timely pre Iraq war comments of US Senator Robert Byrd:

Published on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 by CommonDreams.org

Reckless Administration May Reap Disastrous Consequences
by US Senator Robert Byrd
Senate Floor Speech - Wednesday, February 12, 2003

To contemplate war is to think about the most horrible of human experiences. On this February day, as this nation stands at the brink of battle, every American on some level must be contemplating the horrors of war.

Yet, this Chamber is, for the most part, silent -- ominously, dreadfully silent. There is no debate, no discussion, no attempt to lay out for the nation the pros and cons of this particular war. There is nothing.

We stand passively mute in the United States Senate, paralyzed by our own uncertainty, seemingly stunned by the sheer turmoil of events. Only on the editorial pages of our newspapers is there much substantive discussion of the prudence or imprudence of engaging in this particular war.

And this is no small conflagration we contemplate. This is no simple attempt to defang a villain. No. This coming battle, if it materializes, represents a turning point in U.S. foreign policy and possibly a turning point in the recent history of the world.

This nation is about to embark upon the first test of a revolutionary doctrine applied in an extraordinary way at an unfortunate time. The doctrine of preemption -- the idea that the United States or any other nation can legitimately attack a nation that is not imminently threatening but may be threatening in the future -- is a radical new twist on the traditional idea of self defense. It appears to be in contravention of international law and the UN Charter. And it is being tested at a time of world-wide terrorism, making many countries around the globe wonder if they will soon be on our -- or some other nation's -- hit list. High level Administration figures recently refused to take nuclear weapons off of the table when discussing a possible attack against Iraq [currently under consideration for Iran]. What could be more destabilizing and unwise than this type of uncertainty, particularly in a world where globalism has tied the vital economic and security interests of many nations so closely together? There are huge cracks emerging in our time-honored alliances, and U.S. intentions are suddenly subject to damaging worldwide speculation. Anti-Americanism based on mistrust, misinformation, suspicion, and alarming rhetoric from U.S. leaders is fracturing the once solid alliance against global terrorism which existed after September 11.

[...]

In that scant two years, this Administration has squandered a large projected surplus of some $5.6 trillion over the next decade and taken us to projected deficits as far as the eye can see. This Administration's domestic policy has put many of our states in dire financial condition, under funding scores of essential programs for our people. This Administration has fostered policies which have slowed economic growth. This Administration has ignored urgent matters such as the crisis in health care for our elderly. This Administration has been slow to provide adequate funding for homeland security. This Administration has been reluctant to better protect our long and porous borders.

In foreign policy, this Administration has failed to find Osama bin Laden. In fact, just yesterday we heard from him again marshaling his forces and urging them to kill. This Administration has split traditional alliances, possibly crippling, for all time, International order-keeping entities like the United Nations and NATO. This Administration has called into question the traditional worldwide perception of the United States as well-intentioned, peacekeeper. This Administration has turned the patient art of diplomacy into threats, labeling, and name calling of the sort that reflects quite poorly on the intelligence and sensitivity of our leaders, and which will have consequences for years to come.

Calling heads of state pygmies, labeling whole countries as evil, denigrating powerful European allies as irrelevant -- these types of crude insensitivities can do our great nation no good. We may have massive military might, but we cannot fight a global war on terrorism alone. We need the cooperation and friendship of our time-honored allies as well as the newer found friends whom we can attract with our wealth. Our awesome military machine will do us little good if we suffer another devastating attack on our homeland which severely damages our economy. Our military manpower is already stretched thin and we will need the augmenting support of those nations who can supply troop strength, not just sign letters cheering us on.

The war in Afghanistan has cost us $37 billion so far, yet there is evidence that terrorism may already be starting to regain its hold in that region. We have not found bin Laden, and unless we secure the peace in Afghanistan, the dark dens of terrorism may yet again flourish in that remote and devastated land.

Pakistan as well is at risk of destabilizing forces. This Administration has not finished the first war against terrorism and yet it is eager to embark on another conflict with perils much greater than those in Afghanistan. Is our attention span that short? Have we not learned that after winning the war one must always secure the peace?

And yet we hear little about the aftermath of war in Iraq. In the absence of plans, speculation abroad is rife. Will we seize Iraq's oil fields, becoming an occupying power which controls the price and supply of that nation's oil for the foreseeable future? To whom do we propose to hand the reigns of power after Saddam Hussein?

[...]

Yet this chamber is hauntingly silent. On what is possibly the eve of horrific infliction of death and destruction on the population of the nation of Iraq -- a population, I might add, of which over 50% is under age 15 -- this chamber is silent. On what is possibly only days before we send thousands of our own citizens to face unimagined horrors of chemical and biological warfare -- this chamber is silent. On the eve of what could possibly be a vicious terrorist attack in retaliation for our attack on Iraq, it is business as usual in the United States Senate.

We are truly "sleepwalking through history." In my heart of hearts I pray that this great nation and its good and trusting citizens are not in for a rudest of awakenings.

To engage in war is always to pick a wild card. And war must always be a last resort, not a first choice. I truly must question the judgment of any President who can say that a massive unprovoked military attack on a nation which is over 50% children is "in the highest moral traditions of our country". This war is not necessary at this time. Pressure appears to be having a good result in Iraq. Our mistake was to put ourselves in a corner so quickly. Our challenge is to now find a graceful way out of a box of our own making. Perhaps there is still a way if we allow more time.

Emphasis added.

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0212-07.htm

Lets stop the bloodbath NOW!

[fulltitle]

Without Prejudice.
Its an old strategy. To destroy a country, infiltrate it, use its military to outrage, to anger, to plunder and to ultimately to provoke others to wrath to the point that they set against that country with wrath. I mean consider that 'Dbya' was having his daughters buy land in Paraguay. Wonder why?

Regarding what might be the apathetic attitude of the average 'United Statesian', consider the prospect of seasoned U.S. soldiers who are seeking posts OVERSEAS because of what they believe to be coming through the pipeline for the US and also because they feel that they have been fighting for people who could care less about anything but the next DVD coming out--consider the notion of such soldiers not wanting to be on American soil in the next several years.

Regarding perpetual war: U.S. been in war prosecution since 1860s? Did WWII ever really end in the technical definition of war? Did Nazis ever stop wanting to overtake the UK or USA? Did the Russians ever stop trying to overtake the US? The Korean did not cease.

To engage in war is always to pick a wild card. And war must always be a last resort, not a first choice. I truly must question the judgment of any President who can say that a massive unprovoked military attack on a nation which is over 50% children is "in the highest moral traditions of our country".

That its 50% children ..perhaps there is some economic aspect--or even some darker side to a motive behind that. But consider someone in control of a country that they hated--what would they do if they could not get the troops to turn against their own people what would be a strong alternative--to use the troops to incite the wrath of others maybe?

[fulltitle]

Without Prejudice.
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[libertypatriot]

Another option

Learn how to survive off the land, and live once again at one with nature, as we are meant to

Build an underground house. A great, cheap and comfortable way of living, secure, warm in winter, cool in summer, quiet and an excellent defensive position. Think where the army goes when they want to defend

I see it as not too difficult. You would need a fresh water source, with some sort of purification system if it was not clean. You could grow your own fruit and veges, and then shoot or use a blowgun/fishing for your meats.

If part of a community it would be a very peaceful and refreshing way of living

LP

[jojoeraider]

Originally Posted by macerico

Reading some of the topics since New Orleans was leveled has me mildly amused.

Here are some basic thoughts....

1. As valiant a fight it may be to get rid of your SSN, stop paying taxes, get out of the driver's license scheme, etc., what good does any of that really serve but paint you with a neon bullseye for the powers that be to home in on?

2. Although I believe it's very possible New Orleans' destruction was largely part of a NWO test for the coming police state, how does ranting and raving over it really help us deal with what is coming?

3. I went to law school foolishly believing that I could make a difference. I didn't think life was fair, but I thought the law was just...that it was crooked lawyers twisting just law to do injustice. I quickly learned the law itself was crooked beyond repair.

In the end, my conclusion was this....there is a lot more of THEM than there is of US. I know if enough of us woke up to what was going on and resisted, it would shatter their scheme, but that goal is largely unrealistic.

So, as I see things, I have two basic options:

A. Rant, rave and rage against the machine with all my might. Make myself a public spectacle and pariah who can't get a job and everyone thinks is a loon in an effort to convince every Sheeple I encounter that the evil secret government and thier Illuminati-type controllers are out to ensalve and slaughter the masses.

B. Enjoy life, keep my eyes open, put my contingency plan in place, and be ready to head for the hills when the ballon goes up.

Frankly, I embrace option B. I've tried to warn people. The masses just don't listen and won't do anything to see the truth until some soldier (or state trooper) puts a gun in their face and tells them to lick their boots or die. The few who do listen, I've come to realize, are best reached with much more subtlety. So many want to paint the New Orleans disaster as a NWO experiment. That may be the case, but we will never get enough proof to expose it as such....the people holding the reins of power will see to that.

Bit by bit, I'm putting as much of my "bug out" bag together as I can. I need to do a lot more, but I'm contrained by finances. I know areas I can go, and my first priority will be to find others who are willing to help me in exchange for my knowledge, skills and labor. Otherwise, I'll keep doing things playing by "their" rules because it might keep me a "slave" but it also gives me the maximum latitude to operate to put my "escape plan" together.

When the poop hits the fan, the state will be too busy rounding up the lemmings to worry about those who decide not to comply. They will come for us AFTER the masses are under control, not before.

Likewise, I think a lot of us are railing over the wrong things. Maybe it's defeatism to say we won't win the war on the USA becoming a police state. The warning was sounded long ago, the masses refuesed to listen, now the police state is pretty much already here. I think we should plan for how we will stay outside once we are made outlaws by government decree for not lining up and going to the camps as ordered. Everything else is just not practical or getting the results we really are hoping for.

Not that a miracle can't happen to turn back the tide, but I don't expect enough people to come and see the light without a major disaster forcing the police state into action BEFORE the time is right, exposing it for the monster it really is. That's just my pragmatic viewpoint.

Feel free to debate.

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[jojoeraider]

Originally Posted by Fed-Up

How's Keith doin?

SO you do not believe the government is causing conflict ,arrest, destruction of homes , taking away homes, delibertly killing innocent people. I suggest you go NEW ORLEANS IN THE AREAS WHERE WIND DAMAGE BUT NO FLOODING,AND TALK THE PEOPLE THAT USE TO LIVE THERE. THEN GO TO THE FEMA CAMPS, AND TALK TO THE PEOPLE THERE. THEN GO TO THE NEW FEMA CAMPS ,AND TALK TO THE PEOPLE THERE. THERE IS ONE IN TAYLOR , TEXAS. THEN GO TO 130 TEXAS TRANSCORRIDOR, TALK TO THE FARMERS AND RANCHERS THAT LOST THEIR LAND. DO A FOLLOW UP ON ALL THE NEW BUSINESS BEING BUILT , AND FIND OUT HOW MUCH MONEY THE GOVERNMENT MADE SELLING THE LAND AROUND THE ROADWAYS THAT CINTRA BUILT. GOD'S SPEED BE WITH YOU IF YOU DECIDE TO DO THIS. THE GOVERNMENT WILL TRY TO STOP YOU FROM FINDING OUT THE TRUTH.

[jojoeraider]

Originally Posted by Fed-Up

How's Keith doin?

SO you do not believe the government is causing conflict ,arrest, destruction of homes , taking away homes, delibertly killing innocent people. I suggest you go NEW ORLEANS IN THE AREAS WHERE WIND DAMAGE BUT NO FLOODING,AND TALK THE PEOPLE THAT USE TO LIVE THERE. THEN GO TO THE FEMA CAMPS, AND TALK TO THE PEOPLE THERE. THEN GO TO THE NEW FEMA CAMPS ,AND TALK TO THE PEOPLE THERE. THERE IS ONE IN TAYLOR , TEXAS. THEN GO TO 130 TEXAS TRANSCORRIDOR, TALK TO THE FARMERS AND RANCHERS THAT LOST THEIR LAND. DO A FOLLOW UP ON ALL THE NEW BUSINESS BEING BUILT , AND FIND OUT HOW MUCH MONEY THE GOVERNMENT MADE SELLING THE LAND AROUND THE ROADWAYS THAT CINTRA BUILT. GOD'S SPEED BE WITH YOU IF YOU DECIDE TO DO THIS. THE GOVERNMENT WILL TRY TO STOP YOU FROM FINDING OUT THE TRUTH.

[fulltitle]

Originally Posted by libertypatriot

Another option

Learn how to survive off the land, and live once again at one with nature, as we are meant to

Build an underground house. A great, cheap and comfortable way of living, secure, warm in winter, cool in summer, quiet and an excellent defensive position. Think where the army goes when they want to defend

I see it as not too difficult. You would need a fresh water source, with some sort of purification system if it was not clean. You could grow your own fruit and veges, and then shoot or use a blowgun/fishing for your meats.

If part of a community it would be a very peaceful and refreshing way of living

LP

Without Prejudice.
Knowledge. Become knowledgeable about law, finance/commerce. Mainly become knowledgeable about truth--especially spiritual issues. Prayer, fasting, spiritual warfare, etc. Land rights.

Skills. Learn about farming, hydroponics, natural/alternative health issues, water filtration/purification. Blacksmithing, foundries, forges, metal casting. Fishing. Rainwater harvesting. Women's health whether you are a femme or not. Men's health. Children. Childbirth. Dont remain dependent on strangers.