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Old 10-07-2005, 12:14 AM
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Build a still

There was a program on http://www.americanvoiceradio.com awhile ago, that had a guest discussing the "hydrogen" fallacy, and running on Ethel Alchohol..remember Ethanol?? Wish I could remember the show and the guest, but his suggestion(s) seem viable.

For one, building a distillery is relative inexpensive, and one can use many different substances to distill a 190 proof "fuel".

He did mention that it's easier to "start" you engine on gasoline, then switch over to the 190 after the engines "warmed" up. Just starting the vehicle on gas, the tank would probably last for a few months.

He also mentioned that a carburated vehicle, one would have to change out the plastic float in the carb with a brass one. And also the tank for the 190 should be plasctic or fiberglass, don't use steel or aluminum. I think he mentioned to also change the rubber hoses to st/stl.

Wish I paid more attention, but that's the jist of it...sounds like a worthy research project....
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Old 10-11-2005, 08:12 AM
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Finished the Book.

Ok Folks, I finished the book The solar Hydrogen Civilization by Roy McAlister.

It is all about the plans of how to get from point a to point B, but as mentioned earlier, it is well documented w/Stats and diagrams included on the pages. If you want to read about Roy McAlisters plan and strategy and become involved with the International Renewable Resources Institute then you might want to read the book; otherwise I think you get much more practical information out of the DVD's.
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Old 10-11-2005, 09:12 AM
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There was a program on http://www.americanvoiceradio.com awhile ago, that had a guest discussing the "hydrogen" fallacy, and running on Ethel Alchohol..remember Ethanol?? Wish I could remember the show and the guest, but his suggestion(s) seem viable.

For one, building a distillery is relative inexpensive, and one can use many different substances to distill a 190 proof "fuel".

He did mention that it's easier to "start" you engine on gasoline, then switch over to the 190 after the engines "warmed" up. Just starting the vehicle on gas, the tank would probably last for a few months.

He also mentioned that a carburated vehicle, one would have to change out the plastic float in the carb with a brass one. And also the tank for the 190 should be plasctic or fiberglass, don't use steel or aluminum. I think he mentioned to also change the rubber hoses to st/stl.

Wish I paid more attention, but that's the jist of it...sounds like a worthy research project....

SKYGZR,

Roy suggests that with current technology one would not want to use pure hydrogen (Although it is possible) because stored in gas form at 2000 psi, severely limits the range of the vehicle. He suggests what he calls HyBoost fuels. Taking any liquid that will burn, stick it in the tank, Adjust for timing, add about 5% to 7% Hydrogen per intake stroke and it's the difference between throwing a lit match into a room full of wood, or throwing a lit match into a room full of wood that has been soaked in gasoline.

Pure alcohol has problems in cold climates after the car has been sitting outside all night. While it is flamable, it is not as nearly as combustable as gasoline or hydrogen, and you may not be able to start a pure alcohol vehicle when it's 10 degrees with a -5 wind chill. That is why Roy suggests Hydrogen Boosting these Fuels especially in colder climates.

As for the Still; thought I might like to do something like that, then I realized I gotta make the Mash, (Grind the stuff up, add some water and enzymes,), let it ferment a few days, then feed it through a still to capture the alcohol. Some times this distilling must be done 2 or 3 times to refine the alcohol and remove the excess water and then you may only get 190 proof, so now you gotta get some chemical beads (can't remember the name right now), and filter the alcohol through that to finish "drying" the last 5% water to get to 200 proof lessen you're making it out of pine trees or something.

I'd rather plug in my electrolyzer to the solar panel, Fill a tank with water, do some low psi solid hydrogen capture, then plug the tank in the car when filled.

Better yet, get a diesel, drop by my favorite local chineese resturaunt and dump the fry oil in the tank after filtering the particulates and evaporating the moisture. Much simpler.
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Old 10-11-2005, 04:55 PM
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McAlister says in the DVD that you don't need to get rid of the 5% water. You can burn the alcohol "wet."
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Some times this distilling must be done 2 or 3 times to refine the alcohol and remove the excess water and then you may only get 190 proof, so now you gotta get some chemical beads (can't remember the name right now), and filter the alcohol through that to finish "drying" the last 5% water to get to 200 proof lessen you're making it out of pine trees or something.

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Old 10-11-2005, 11:54 PM
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McAlister says in the DVD that you don't need to get rid of the 5% water. You can burn the alcohol "wet."

True. If I was unclear I apologize. I was pointing out that distilling your own alcohol to use pure has some issues especially if you DO NOT plan to Hy-Boost or Mix with Gasoline. Specifically that it is more labor intensive than other alternatives not to mention getting product to make the mash with unless you own at least a mini-farm, that's all.

I plan to build a still some day and playround with that for fun and to see just how labor intensive it really is, how much you can make, how long it takes, etc., I just haven't had time with some of the other projects in process at the moment that may be more fruitful.
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Old 10-12-2005, 06:46 AM
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Motionless energy generator

How about a car that uses an electric enginesay about 200 horsepower and uses no outside power supply what so ever
check this link

http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/meg.htm
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Old 10-12-2005, 06:49 AM
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biodiesel

Also how about biodiesel, no modifications needed, costs about 78 cents a gallon and actully performs better than regular diesel and less pollution.

http://www.biodiesel.org/
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Old 10-12-2005, 08:43 AM
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Dano, It seems like I would have to modify in order to convert a Ford Ranger 3.0 V6 Gasser into a Diesel

OR

How do i find out what diesels I can drop in it?
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Old 10-12-2005, 10:52 AM
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Transadapters inc.

You could check out trans. adapters inc. for an engine swap kit. They make alot of adapters for a veriety of engine swaps.
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Old 10-12-2005, 12:19 PM
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Question Uhhhh. .......

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You could check out trans. adapters inc. for an engine swap kit. They make alot of adapters for a veriety of engine swaps.
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What do you think about the M.E.G. ;)

M.E.G ??????

No dice on transadapters the referred me to willcap.com

No dice there, either

Man, looks like i have to go to Brazil and Get a diesel ranger
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