To unplug or not unplug....

[macerico]

My boss and I had a rather funny moment this morning.

Needless to say, he thinks I'm nuts with all the stuff I'm wanting to do to "unplug" (disavow my SSN and stop using it, clear up the issue so that I'm a Soverign State Citizen, not a U.S. citizen, etc.). However, I said something that really made him laugh, because this is his position on the whole matter.

When they finally come down with their police state, they won't give a flip if you're a U.S. citizen or a Soverign...we'd all be rounded up and shipped to the "death camps" just the same.

He has a point. So, really, other than being able to assert your rights under the facade of this "legal system" we live in, does "unplugging" really convey any benefits in the end (aside from maybe being harder to find when they try to round up the first batches of people)?

What sayeth the members?

[weishaupt1776]

I'm not psychic, so I don't know when they plan on doing it, so why bend over now?

[RickA]

other than being able to assert your rights under the facade of this "legal system" we live in, does "unplugging" really convey any benefits in the end (aside from maybe being harder to find when they try to round up the first batches of people)?

What sayeth the members?

I'm not psychic, so I don't know when they plan on doing it, so why bend over now?

Exactly. The reason for all of this is to keep it from getting to a total police state.

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by RickA

Exactly. The reason for all of this is to keep it from getting to a total police state.

I agree, lets all work to keep the police state from gaining too much! We may be losing ground, yet why roll over?

Originally Posted by macerico

When they finally come down with their police state, they won't give a flip if you're a U.S. citizen or a Soverign...we'd all be rounded up and shipped to the "death camps" just the same.

Defeatism.

Depending on body weight, and the type of weapon available for defense, they will give a flip, at least partially, if you don't intend to go without a fair trade. But if you do intend to hop on the boxcar with the others, why not just go ahead and order your ticket now?


Henry Franklin

[macerico]

That's pretty much how I see things.

My boss gets the whole "charging windmills" issue from his mom and dad.

True, making waves doesn't help you get ahead in the world (for the most part), but by being quiet and doing nothing, you only help the problem move along without resistance. Likewise, you also force yourself to bow to something you don't like.

I can say that 15+ years of playing it by their rules never got me what I wanted in life. What can they take from me now that they haven't already taken away?

My boss is content to have a plan for when the poop happens and head for the hills with his beans and guns, but I couldn't care less. Early this year (2005) they pushed through The Real ID Act against the will of the majority of Americans by attaching it to a needed military spending bill. THAT is what made me accelerate my "bug out" plans.

Now, Congress wanted to ban torture of "enemy combatants" and attached it to another needed military spending bill. Good old G.W. wants to veto (the first time he'd ever have done it in his two terms) the bill for that issue.

We have an administration that is for a national ID card and for torturing anyone declared (by administrative fiat) an enemy of the state? How can any sensible person want to maintain the status quo? :(

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by macerico

We have an administration that is for a national ID card and for torturing anyone declared (by administrative fiat) an enemy of the state? How can any sensible person want to maintain the status quo? :(

Federal citizenship and declaring U.S. Citizens enemies has been going on since 1868 passage of the 14th Amdmt.

What's new ???

--Except of course more thugs and better weapons to torture people with?

[weishaupt1776]

Someone I work with is very well intentioned and knows of my pursuits concerning remedies in overcoming bureacratic tyranny and had a word for me today

He said " Would you rather be right or be happy?"

AS IF THAT IS THE ONLY CUT AND DRY AREA.


I didn't say it, but I'll post it here:

I am happier knowing that I am not suckin' A$$ !!

I think Hb and Weis are right even if you know they are going to round you up let them know its gonna cost them.There was a famous russian dissadent who went away to a gulag without a fight.Having survived he said that if he had it to do over again he would have fought to the death rather than have went to the gulag.Some things are worse than death.If enough people try to get out of the system the devils may have to reconsider or delay.

If the folks doin the rounding up have to wonder if their number is up, every time they come to take another away; how long do you think they would support the system?

Sure some of us may not make it but if they have to worry every time they round someone up that they may not return home after a long days work hearding people, how long would you want to do that job?

If there are fewer and fewer who want that job then the "leaders" would have to do the dirty work themselves . . . Yea fat chance there. The tyrant remains in power only so long as he has henchmen to believe in him and carry out his orders, because he could never impose his will upon the masses otherwise.

I read once that a german had said to a swiss man during the Nazi period that Germany has 2 times regular military troops than the swiss have in their militia; If we (Germans) decide to come to switzerland what will you do. The swissman replied, well we'll just have to shoot twice before we return home.

America was like that once. . . . once.

Impress your friends! Persuade the undecided! Meet new and interesting people! Get your car shot up by right-wing yahoos! Be smeared on the front page of the wall street journal!

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