Legal Education??

[dadmoonbunny]

If lawyers are constantly studying to keep abreast of thier profession, does that mean they are just like medical doctors in that they are "practising" thier profession?

In other words, with thier supreme egos they are always trying to be just as good as THE law giver, just as doctors are always trying to be better than THE best healer known to (some) men?

[Shoonra]

The federal system of reporters distributes decisions based on the level of the court making the final decision. The Federal Reporter (F, F2d, F3d) publishes cases from the various appellate courts. The Federal Supplement (FSupp.) does also. (I apologize, but at the moment I do not remember why a case would be in one or the other.)

Federal Reporter started circa 1880 publishing selected decisions of federal circuit and district courts. In 1932, the Federal Reporter was limited carrying only the circuit court decisions and the district court decisions were published in the Federal Supplement. In 1938, following the adoption of the Federal Rules for Civil Procedure, decisions (mostly from district courts) relating to those rules were carried in Federal Rules Decisions.
For federal court decisions before 1880 there is Federal Cases.
These are all published by West Publishing, using (esp. after 1880) West editors' summary paragraphs and headnotes, with West's exclusive key number system. They are all digested in West's Federal Digests and other West digests.

Then there is U.S. Reports (US) and the Supreme Court Reporter (Sup. Ct.). (Same apology as above.) There is also the Lawyer's Addition of the Supreme Court Reporter.

The U.S. Reports is the official (govt printed) reporter of US Supreme Court decisions. Lawyers Edition is a commercial reporter of the same decisions, begun around 1880 with volumes that went back to the very first volume of US Reports, reprinting the same decisions as in US Reports but with the addition of summaries, headnotes, and occasional editorial essays on important legal issues. By the time it gets to cases decided around 1880, L.Ed. started including a list of the precedent decisions cited in the briefs of both sides. There is also a Lawyers
Edition Digest, made up of the headnotes from all the cases (L.Ed. occasionally makes headnotes from concurring opinions as well as from the majority opinions). From around 1920 to 1995, L.Ed. was published by Lawyers Co-operative Publishing Company in Rochester, NY. Since then it has been taken over by Lexis Publishing, apparently with little change in style or quality.

Starting around 1880, West Publishing Company started publishing its Supreme Court Reporter, which reprints the US Supreme Court decisions - but, unlike L.Ed., the S.Ct. reprinting begins with the decisions issued in 1880 and doesn't reprint the earlier decisions. The features include summary paragraphs and headnotes worked up using West's exclusive key number system. A single volume number of S.Ct. corresponds to an entire year of US Supreme Court decisions (which generally use up four or more volume numbers in U.S. or L.Ed.). No essays, no summaries of briefs, but there is a West Supreme Court Digest, arranged using its key number system and including notes worked up for the pre-1880 decisions that S.Ct. didn't bother to reprint. Around 1992, West Publishing - at the time the world's biggest law publisher - was taken over by Thomson publishing conglomerate out of Canada, evidently without any change in style or quality.

New Supreme Court decisions are issued by the Court itself in "slip editions" - a little booklet for each decisions, and then collected about a year or so later into the US Reports (first a paperbound book and maybe a year further hardbound) with the official US volume and page numbers. The same week the decision is issued, US Law Week photographically reprints the slip and sends it to its subscribers who keep it in a looseleaf binder. Perhaps three weeks after the decision issued, S.Ct. has set it in type, with the headnotes, in a paperbound advance sheet with the S.Ct. volume and page numbers (a little more than a year later, these advance sheets are replaced with permanent hardcover volumes that have "star paging" corresponding to the official US edition). Perhaps two weeks after S.Ct's advance sheet, L.Ed. has it printed up in its own advance sheet and pretty much the same schedule for a hardcover with star paging (the summarized briefs and the essays are added in the back of the hardcover volume).

I hope this clarifies.

[idknow]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

Federal Reporter started circa 1880 publishing selected decisions of federal circuit and district courts. In 1932, the Federal Reporter was limited carrying only the circuit court decisions and the district court decisions were published in the Federal Supplement. In 1938, following the adoption of the Federal Rules for Civil Procedure, decisions (mostly from district courts) relating to those rules were carried in Federal Rules Decisions.
For federal court decisions before 1880 there is Federal Cases.
These are all published by West Publishing, using (esp. after 1880) West editors' summary paragraphs and headnotes, with West's exclusive key number system. They are all digested in West's Federal Digests and other West digests.



The U.S. Reports is the official (govt printed) reporter of US Supreme Court decisions. Lawyers Edition is a commercial reporter of the same decisions, begun around 1880 with volumes that went back to the very first volume of US Reports, reprinting the same decisions as in US Reports but with the addition of summaries, headnotes, and occasional editorial essays on important legal issues. By the time it gets to cases decided around 1880, L.Ed. started including a list of the precedent decisions cited in the briefs of both sides. There is also a Lawyers
Edition Digest, made up of the headnotes from all the cases (L.Ed. occasionally makes headnotes from concurring opinions as well as from the majority opinions). From around 1920 to 1995, L.Ed. was published by Lawyers Co-operative Publishing Company in Rochester, NY. Since then it has been taken over by Lexis Publishing, apparently with little change in style or quality.

Starting around 1880, West Publishing Company started publishing its Supreme Court Reporter, which reprints the US Supreme Court decisions - but, unlike L.Ed., the S.Ct. reprinting begins with the decisions issued in 1880 and doesn't reprint the earlier decisions. The features include summary paragraphs and headnotes worked up using West's exclusive key number system. A single volume number of S.Ct. corresponds to an entire year of US Supreme Court decisions (which generally use up four or more volume numbers in U.S. or L.Ed.). No essays, no summaries of briefs, but there is a West Supreme Court Digest, arranged using its key number system and including notes worked up for the pre-1880 decisions that S.Ct. didn't bother to reprint. Around 1992, West Publishing - at the time the world's biggest law publisher - was taken over by Thomson publishing conglomerate out of Canada, evidently without any change in style or quality.

New Supreme Court decisions are issued by the Court itself in "slip editions" - a little booklet for each decisions, and then collected about a year or so later into the US Reports (first a paperbound book and maybe a year further hardbound) with the official US volume and page numbers. The same week the decision is issued, US Law Week photographically reprints the slip and sends it to its subscribers who keep it in a looseleaf binder. Perhaps three weeks after the decision issued, S.Ct. has set it in type, with the headnotes, in a paperbound advance sheet with the S.Ct. volume and page numbers (a little more than a year later, these advance sheets are replaced with permanent hardcover volumes that have "star paging" corresponding to the official US edition). Perhaps two weeks after S.Ct's advance sheet, L.Ed. has it printed up in its own advance sheet and pretty much the same schedule for a hardcover with star paging (the summarized briefs and the essays are added in the back of the hardcover volume).

I hope this clarifies.

Nice summary ad brief of History
thanks

[sfergnel]

All,

Thank you for your kindly responses. The majority of what you suggested, I have already started. I have been on the road to freedom's enlightenment since I ran into a foreclosure problem nearly 2 years ago now. Since then, I have been slowly and surely led to the conclusion that something is not right with our government.

Since my children are not yet of legal age, I have been researching ways to help them to see for themselves that what is taught in the schools is not the truth.

I have Black's 6th. I have the Red Amendment. I have started to read the Law of Nations. I have researched expatriation. I have read the statutes here in NC, and my former state of MI. I read the constitutions, both NC and US. I have perused the US code. I have utilized Findlaw to read case law (but only when beneficial).

What really opened my eyes for me was the foreclosure sale. There was no sale, and yet the attorney filed paperwork saying there was. They violated statutes (which are supposed to be law) and when I filed paperwork (per statute), my request to put aside the sale was ignored. The clerk said that she would allow the attorney to correct his mistakes. When I appealed to the courts, I was again ignored.

That was 2 years ago. Until this eye-opening misfortune, I was content to be a US citizen, not knowing the real deal.

I am hurt, and afraid, REALLY AFRAID, for my children. They want to spread their wings, and test the adult waters, but I do not feel they are ready. I am not ready. Hence the reqest.

This site has been a god-send for me. It is now my home. I read, I read, and I read some more. I research, and then I read some more. I do not take ANYTHING at face value. If I cannot coherently explain to my children what has transpired, How can I EVER hope for them to understand.

I will now get off my soapbox. Thank you all. I am not leaving, just signing off for now.

sfergnel

Sfergnel,

I told my wife this evening, that what we are going through is just like the movie, "The Count of Monte Cristo."

In that movie, he loses everything, but gains the most valuable education one could get, and uses that to get more than he ever lost.

They can take tangibles from you, but they cannot take away your knowledge.

Keep learning, and keep the faith.

They are running scared, just because of us few who aren't afraid.

They are afraid of the light, no matter how much scoffing the lawyers here might do.

I know, because my calling them out on the carpet, while met with many threats, have resulted in no penalties for me. They are all hot air. "Judges" with no balls in the face of the truth. "Judges" and "magistrates" with no authority that is not given to them by you or I.

I feel more empowered, the more I see the caliber of pansy I am up against.

I know they are afraid, and they know the opposite about me. It is my joy to laugh at their confusion and frustration.

To me, that's worth losing what I have lost. I have gained the first hand knowledge of their fear and false power. (hot air)

I count it an honor to know you. You are of a very high caliber.

Henry Franklin

[charlesa6]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

Federal Reporter started circa 1880 publishing selected decisions of federal circuit and district courts. In 1932, the Federal Reporter was limited carrying only the circuit court decisions and the district court decisions were published in the Federal Supplement. In 1938, following the adoption of the Federal Rules for Civil Procedure, decisions (mostly from district courts) relating to those rules were carried in Federal Rules Decisions.
For federal court decisions before 1880 there is Federal Cases.
These are all published by West Publishing, using (esp. after 1880) West editors' summary paragraphs and headnotes, with West's exclusive key number system. They are all digested in West's Federal Digests and other West digests.



The U.S. Reports is the official (govt printed) reporter of US Supreme Court decisions. Lawyers Edition is a commercial reporter of the same decisions, begun around 1880 with volumes that went back to the very first volume of US Reports, reprinting the same decisions as in US Reports but with the addition of summaries, headnotes, and occasional editorial essays on important legal issues. By the time it gets to cases decided around 1880, L.Ed. started including a list of the precedent decisions cited in the briefs of both sides. There is also a Lawyers
Edition Digest, made up of the headnotes from all the cases (L.Ed. occasionally makes headnotes from concurring opinions as well as from the majority opinions). From around 1920 to 1995, L.Ed. was published by Lawyers Co-operative Publishing Company in Rochester, NY. Since then it has been taken over by Lexis Publishing, apparently with little change in style or quality.

Starting around 1880, West Publishing Company started publishing its Supreme Court Reporter, which reprints the US Supreme Court decisions - but, unlike L.Ed., the S.Ct. reprinting begins with the decisions issued in 1880 and doesn't reprint the earlier decisions. The features include summary paragraphs and headnotes worked up using West's exclusive key number system. A single volume number of S.Ct. corresponds to an entire year of US Supreme Court decisions (which generally use up four or more volume numbers in U.S. or L.Ed.). No essays, no summaries of briefs, but there is a West Supreme Court Digest, arranged using its key number system and including notes worked up for the pre-1880 decisions that S.Ct. didn't bother to reprint. Around 1992, West Publishing - at the time the world's biggest law publisher - was taken over by Thomson publishing conglomerate out of Canada, evidently without any change in style or quality.

New Supreme Court decisions are issued by the Court itself in "slip editions" - a little booklet for each decisions, and then collected about a year or so later into the US Reports (first a paperbound book and maybe a year further hardbound) with the official US volume and page numbers. The same week the decision is issued, US Law Week photographically reprints the slip and sends it to its subscribers who keep it in a looseleaf binder. Perhaps three weeks after the decision issued, S.Ct. has set it in type, with the headnotes, in a paperbound advance sheet with the S.Ct. volume and page numbers (a little more than a year later, these advance sheets are replaced with permanent hardcover volumes that have "star paging" corresponding to the official US edition). Perhaps two weeks after S.Ct's advance sheet, L.Ed. has it printed up in its own advance sheet and pretty much the same schedule for a hardcover with star paging (the summarized briefs and the essays are added in the back of the hardcover volume).

I hope this clarifies.

Well, Informative, and clarification. Good job!

[mrg]

Originally Posted by HenryBowman

Sfergnel,


Keep learning, and keep the faith.

They are running scared, just because of us few who aren't afraid.

They are afraid of the light,

no matter how much scoffing the lawyers here might do.

I know they are afraid, and they know the opposite about me.

It is my joy to laugh at their confusion and frustration.


Henry Franklin

These are very astute observations.

The people at the top of the "food chain" are afraid, hence the ratcheting up of the implementation of a process for total domination and enslavement through the tracking and controlling of people, Malthusian machinations, corporate propaganda,violence, "globalism," etc...

Many people are waking up.

Now is possibly the time to hold some Machieavellian feet to the fire.

I think there may thus be a desperation to initiate an end game before it has been prepared, and that could be fortuitous.

Tyrants and despots might be being forced to act in haste, and may thus be prone to error.

Go into a roach infested tenement apartment in the dead of night and suddenly turn on bright lights in the kitchen and observe.

Some vermin eradification is in order, unless we want to continue living in a roach infested home.

Your post, from which I quoted just a bit, is excellent and valuable.

I have also lost much, and as a result have gained more than I lost, and that which I have gained as a result of loss is of far more value than that which I lost.

I am not quite certain if this quote is word for word, but it is , I think, an accurate observaion.

He that findeth his life, shall lose it, and he that loseth
his life shall find it.

Thank you for your posts, and for your efforts.

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by B Rookard

If you're not educated in the law ... how do you know they've been lied to? Or did you come to that conclusion first, and now you want to prove it?

If that's the case, then you've got it backwards.
.

That's right, sfergnel, we've got some folks up there "representing" us

[charlesa6]

Hehehhehe!! very funny!