Legal Education??

[sfergnel]

HELP!!!!

For those of you who have been at this a lot longer, and who are more knowledgeable,

What is the best way to begin an organized, systematic education of LAW?

I am college educated, and I am still finding it hard to comprehend the level of legalese required to navigate through the various waters of BB.

But my concern is more so for my children. I have soon to be adults (this year, and next) and I fear that without some legal education, I cannot combat the silent submissive citizen crap that is taught in their educational institutions.

I need to be able to help them to see, and comprehend the magnitude of the lie they have been taught.

[KiteKaze]

While I wish I could offer a good solution, the best one I know of is to get them to see that things are not as they seem.

The constitutional videos by Michael Badnarik available via http://www.archive.org/details/Michael_Badnarik are quite good for pointing out much of what is wrong in our once great country.

Simply looking around these forums, the sedm site, and many others is a good start. For more sites on this kind of thing one can visit the fbi site and look at watched groups under "Sovereign Citizens". They have quite a few good sites listed for everyone there...quite the public service.

[idknow]

Originally Posted by sfergnel

HELP!!!!

For those of you who have been at this a lot longer, and who are more knowledgeable,

What is the best way to begin an organized, systematic education of LAW?

I am college educated, and I am still finding it hard to comprehend the level of legalese required to navigate through the various waters of BB.

But my concern is more so for my children. I have soon to be adults (this year, and next) and I fear that without some legal education, I cannot combat the silent submissive citizen crap that is taught in their educational institutions.

I need to be able to help them to see, and comprehend the magnitude of the lie they have been taught.

Welcome to the forum and to realising that one needs a roadmap!

Here's how our heavenly father introduced me to The Law of Man:

1. Landlord-Tenant Act;
2. dictionaries;
3. Contract;
4. Common law of England;
5. more dictionaries and legal maxims of law;
6. state and federal law.

IMO, I'd suggest that you follow:

1. Dictionaries;
2. contract law;
3. Constitutions, state and federal, then international;
4. Colonial: history, books, treatises, etc;
5. treaties and compacts leading upto colonial presence in America;
6. state legislative acts prior to 1938;
7. federal legislative acts prior to 1938;
8. finally, all govt activity since 1938.

of course, start on the SuiJuris Forum and spread out in your studies.

And, finally, ask questions!

[idknow]

Originally Posted by KiteKaze

While I wish I could offer a good solution, the best one I know of is to get them to see that things are not as they seem.

The constitutional videos by Michael Badnarik available via http://www.archive.org/details/Michael_Badnarik are quite good for pointing out much of what is wrong in our once great country.

Simply looking around these forums, the sedm site, and many others is a good start. For more sites on this kind of thing one can visit the fbi site and look at watched groups under "Sovereign Citizens". They have quite a few good sites listed for everyone there...quite the public service.

Are we listed on the FBI list?

[georgealexander]

8/02/2005

I agree on The Red Amendment. Most of what LB is saying you can find on the inernet anywhere. The beauty in the book was his "REMEDIES" section starting on page 73 then he gives you a numerical list on how to proceed...

1) Learn legal definitions, past and present.
2) Have a general understanding of the Law of Nations.
3) Know the Federal Constitution, as it exists under the 14th amendment.
4) Study the United States Code, applying what you have learned in 1,2,3;
5) Then - You may read Case Law and see how the aforesaid is applied in any such case;
6) And most important, know the Administrative and Court Procedures. This is how to previal.

He was right when he said if you an an apprentice, DO NOT READ CASE LAW!! I was making that mistake and not understanding because I didn't have the background. They were just words. Actually, I still need a good book on The Law of Nations, anybodyhave suggestions?

In addition the Lysander Spooner is golden as well.
END OF QUOTE

I have been 'studying' for a couple of years. I thought this was meaningful enough to put it in a notebook.

George Alexander

ps: I picked up 'Emmerich de Vattel: The Law of Nations @

http://www.constituiton.org/vattel/

A laser printer will make it easier on you pocket book......a duplex laser printer is something I wish I had......assuming you like to highlight and mark up your study materials.

ga

[charlesa6]

You have to check it out.

[joseph sugarman]

Originally Posted by sfergnel

HELP!!!!

For those of you who have been at this a lot longer, and who are more knowledgeable,

What is the best way to begin an organized, systematic education of LAW?

I am college educated, and I am still finding it hard to comprehend the level of legalese required to navigate through the various waters of BB.

But my concern is more so for my children. I have soon to be adults (this year, and next) and I fear that without some legal education, I cannot combat the silent submissive citizen crap that is taught in their educational institutions.

I need to be able to help them to see, and comprehend the magnitude of the lie they have been taught.

Go to a law library, if you can, associated with a law school at a major, private university. I pick private because accept for UCLA, most public law-school libraries I have found lacking. Go in and just walk around the various floors to see what is in there. Do not worry if you do not understand exactly at what you are looking. It just takes time to become familair with what I am about to help you find.

First; find and read the Constitution of you state, and then read the Constitution of the United States. Then read the Articles of Confederation. Then read the Declaration of Independence. Then proceed with the following:

Pick any legal term to begin. Find the legal dictionaries; Black's, Bovier's, etc. Take down a selection of the recent and the older additions. Find the term, and learn the various definitions.

Next, go to the legal encyclopaedias; Corpus Juris (CJ), Corpus Juris Secundum (CJ 2nd), American Jurisprudence (Am Jur), and American Jurisprudence II (Am Jur II). Find the term in CJ 2nd, and read the more expanded definitions and operations of the term. Notice there are innumberable footnotes. These direct you to the cases being cited in the body above. After reading the work in CJ 2nd; read the same work in CJ. Note the similarities and differences in the definitions, operations and cases cited. As you go along pull some of the cases reported, especially those from the area in which you live.

Repeat this process, if you wish, with American Jurisprudence, et. al. It is my opinion that this work is not as important as the other legal encyclopaedia. You may wish to see how the works differ, though.

To pull cases you will have to learn how to find the various sectional reporters, and how to read cites. Reporter is the name given to the books in which case decisions are published. After you learn the state reporters, and how to find them; you will also learn the federal reporting system.

The country, as far as the state reporters are concerned, is broken up into geogrpahical sections: Northeastern Reporter (NE), Northwestern Reporter (NW), Southeastern Reporter (SE), Southwestern Reporter (SW), Southern Reporter (S) and Pacific Reporter (P). In addition, California has its own reporter.

To find a case footnoted in the encyclopaedia you will do the following. Read the cite. It will be something like this 123 P 456. The first set of numbers refer to the volume; the letter refers to the sectional reporter--in this case, Pacific; the set of numbers after the letter refer to the page number the case starts on. Be careful when you look at the letter. In some areas there will be the letter2nd or even letter3rd. These numbers refer to a second series or even a third series of the same reporter. You will find, for example, 123P and 123P2d.

The federal system of reporters distributes decisions based on the level of the court making the final decision. The Federal Reporter (F, F2d, F3d) publishes cases from the various appellate courts. The Federal Supplement (FSupp.) does also. (I apologize, but at the moment I do not remember why a case would be in one or the other.) Then there is U.S. Reports (US) and the Supreme Court Reporter (Sup. Ct.). (Same apology as above.) There is also the Lawyer's Addition of the Supreme Court Reporter.

When you read a case you will notice paragraphs at the beginning with a key and a number. These are called head-notes, and the numbers help you locate a specific paragraph in the body of the case. You will also see these headnotes listed under legal terms. These terms refer you to the Digest System. This system helps you find other cases dealing with the same term. The Digest is usually placed next to the Reporterof the same locale.

After you have started to learn your way around the dictionaries, encyclopaedias, reporters and digests; you will move on to the American Law Reports (ALR) to read about the term you are following from another perspective.

Then you will start to look at the terms coverage in the various Law Reviews published by every law school in the country.

Then you will start to look at the various treatises produced by professors, lawyers and judges on the subject of the term.

You will find, if you do research like me, you will going to all of the above simultaneously. Find out where the rolling library carts are kept.

Then you will start on the next term, and if you get hooked, continue this process for the balance of your life.

There is much more but that is for another post.

Offered with love, Joseph Sugarman, design@dream-home.com

[Lawyerdude]

If you want to learn the law, then learn like the lawyers learn. Read their books!
However, the best a quickest way would be to sign up for a law review course. Harcourt, Brace, and Jovanovich publish/ teach a bar review course and the also bought Gilbert Summaries.
The cheapest way would be to buy used Gilbert Summaries on the net. Or buy them new. They cost $20 to $30 new. As little as $5 on the net. Here are the core subjects tested on the bar exam.
1 Crimes
2 Torts
3 Contracts
4 Constitutional Law
5 Federal Rules of Evidence
6 Wills and Trusts
7 Corporations
8 Remedies
9 Civil Procedure
10 Constitutional Rights of Criminal Defend.
There are other Gilbert Summaries.
West and their competitors publish a Casebook and "Hornbook" for every subject.

Today most legal subjects are explained well on the internet. The best source is FindLaw! It is free. It is powered by West Publishing.

The internet is changing the law like nothing has changed it before!

In the criminal justice system, defendants are represented by two completely different types of lawyer: Group 1 is typified by the Public Defenders who never write anything, exist to make deals, and are obsequious members of the state bar. Of group 2 there is only 1: Lawyerdude is the New Paradigm, a prolific multi-jurisdictional computer/ internet-driven lawyer. Having passed the exam given by the bar he refuses to permit them to infringe on his 1st and 6th amendment rights! This super defender views bar organizations as burdens on his interstate commerce. He wins cases without going to court! His is the only profession listed in the U.S. constitution. His mandate supervenes mere state statutes! These are his stories.
http://www.circuitlawyer.8m.com/traffic.html

[palani]

Lawyerdude is the New Paradigm, a prolific multi-jurisdictional computer/ internet-driven lawyer.

WOW!!! Is it possible there will be comic book out soon?

As to law study you might start with the source, the Bible. Usually you don't find too many lawyers or judges who will argue with this source.

[idknow]

Originally Posted by palani

WOW!!! Is it possible there will be comic book out soon?

As to law study you might start with the source, the Bible. Usually you don't find too many lawyers or judges who will argue with this source.

it's not about his choice of medium to communicate; it's about his manners and lack thereof, his rudeness and his general misbehavior - and I speak from experience having been on the recieving end of his rudeness personally in private email.

so, dont praise him for his ability to utilise the internet, and certainly dont excsue him -- he is one nasty, angry man who doesnt have any idea how to deal with people in a polite way.