03-31-2006, 03:09 AM
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Pistol Toting Revolotionaries.
Concealed Carry Permit.
How do you carry gun lawfully. notice i said lawfully and not legally? if we have the the right to bear arms and not the privilege, what is the point of getting "concealed carry permit" which is bacially asking the "state" permission to carry your pistol. the "legal system" says you will be arrested and have your pistol taking away if you dont have a "permit".. any logical ways to have your remedy if they try to say your required to have there permit???
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03-31-2006, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by mystic one
Concealed Carry Permit.
How do you carry gun lawfully. notice i said lawfully and not legally? if we have the the right to bear arms and not the privilege, what is the point of getting "concealed carry permit" which is bacially asking the "state" permission to carry your pistol. the "legal system" says you will be arrested and have your pistol taking away if you dont have a "permit".. any logical ways to have your remedy if they try to say your required to have there permit???
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the "point at which" would be when one has fully divested themselves of all umbilicals to the state.
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03-31-2006, 07:31 AM
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How About Not Concealing It?
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Concealed Carry Permit.
How do you carry gun lawfully. notice i said lawfully and not legally? if we have the the right to bear arms and not the privilege, what is the point of getting "concealed carry permit" which is bacially asking the "state" permission to carry your pistol. the "legal system" says you will be arrested and have your pistol taking away if you dont have a "permit".. any logical ways to have your remedy if they try to say your required to have there permit???
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My father has told me a couple interesting stories about a guy he works with in Arizona. This guy has a gun his father gave him and apparently he openly carrys it openly in a belt holster. He has no "permit" of any sort and has never been cited or jailed on any weapons charge.
However, I suppose it helps that he lives in a very rural county and knows the majority of the people who live in that part of the county he lives, including the local sheriff.
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03-31-2006, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by mystic one
Concealed Carry Permit.
How do you carry gun lawfully. notice i said lawfully and not legally? if we have the the right to bear arms and not the privilege, what is the point of getting "concealed carry permit" which is bacially asking the "state" permission to carry your pistol. the "legal system" says you will be arrested and have your pistol taking away if you dont have a "permit".. any logical ways to have your remedy if they try to say your required to have there permit???
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I believe the answer is hitting you right in the face and the defining word is conceal.
Just don't conceal it as you do have the right as a people but not if you are a citizen you have given up all of your rights when you opt in to their servitude. |
03-31-2006, 01:51 PM
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I believe the answer is hitting you right in the face and the defining word is conceal.
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Open carry here in Wash is nice and "legal" even though i get bugged about it from time to time. |
03-31-2006, 03:54 PM
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rentitap- yes, "keyword" "conceal"
so, you cant put the gun in your trunk of your car or hide it, but if you put it on your holster, visible for people to see, there is no "statue" that says you have to have a permit?
some states consider just having it in your car "concealed". i guess the only way to protect yourself is to have it on your person and visible?
the state only wants you to ask permission for concealment?
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03-31-2006, 04:04 PM
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here is the code for indiana.
according to legal "code" you have to have a permit unless its in your house, fixed property, or business dwelling.
if you carry it on your person or car, you need there "permit according to this"
IC 35-47-2-1
Carrying a handgun without a license or by person convicted of domestic battery
Sec. 1. (a) Except as provided in subsection (b) and section 2 of this chapter, a person shall not carry a handgun in any vehicle or on or about the person's body, except in the person's dwelling, on the person's property or fixed place of business, without a license issued under this chapter being in the person's possession.
(b) Unless the person's right to possess a firearm has been restored under IC 3-7-13-5 or IC 33-28-4-8, a person who has been convicted of domestic battery under IC 35-42-2-1.3 may not possess or carry a handgun in any vehicle or on or about the person's body in the person's dwelling or on the person's property or fixed place of business.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32. Amended by P.L.326-1987, SEC.1; P.L.195-2003, SEC.6; P.L.98-2004, SEC.155.
your probably going to rebut with whats the definition of person or vehicle. responses.
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04-01-2006, 09:56 AM
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your probably going to rebut with whats the definition of person or vehicle. responses.
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Since when does the subject get to tell the king what he can and can not do?
Did man make god?
Did the laws make man?
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04-04-2006, 01:29 AM
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pistol toting
from a theoretical premise your exactly right in the above assertion. why should we have to ask the king permission?
the question is how would you destroy the presumption of having to carry concealed permit in a court of law?
what would be strong affadavits and/or court dialogue proceedings, if you have to lawfully protect yourself in a preceding.. were always in an uphill battle so we want to have our stuff in tact if were challenged on this.
remember there they have the guns and gatekeepers.
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04-04-2006, 04:50 AM
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I heard somewhere that If the firearm is a Commercial Item (meaning produced and sold by a company taking part in Commerece), then it can be regulated by the state. However, If you were to secure the resources to build your own weapon, without using Reserve Notes (use gold and silver instead of cash, or dig up the resources), then there can be no regulation. It's not that you don't have a right to bear arms, it's that you do not have the right to bear commercial arms. Anything that has ever been touched by commerece can be regulated. Go out and build your own pistol.
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