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Old 02-02-2007, 09:53 AM
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What MAKES the common man SUBJECT?


a) his ignorance, or
b) his willing oath, or

c) his lack of force against people holding guns to his head purporting to be OFFICERS of LAW EN-FORCE-MENT (an oxymoron).
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Old 02-02-2007, 10:36 AM
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Persons are guarantied the right “not to be deprived” of due process

Is this reading a true reading?

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Amendment V (Properly titled "Article the fifth")

No person shall...be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;

Seems to read a bit differently than as quoted above.

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Just the use of the phrase “unalienable rights” implies that there are “alienable rights”

A bit of a ssssttttrrrrrreeeeeaaaaaaaacccccchhhhhhh?

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Which particular "rights," specifically, pursuant to "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness," (which are but a few enumerated "among these" "certain unalienable Rights"), are "alienable," and where, specifically, is the above mentioned implication delegated within "...this Constitution for the United States of America," for process of such implied lien?

What certain rights may be found inherent, and enumerated, within the unalienable right to Life?

What certain rights may be found inherent, and enumerated, within the unalienable right to Liberty?

What certain rights may be found inherent, and can be enumerated, within the unalienable right to pursuit of Happiness?

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Amendment IX (Properly titled "Article the ninth")

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X (Properly titled "Article the tenth")

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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Old 02-02-2007, 12:14 PM
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It seems that this threads focus has shifted from the pre-Constitution... state of nature... common global law discussion, into, a sub-state-of-nature environment (United State) where the Constitution is now additinaly the supreme law of the land (for some)...

These State[s] came to be via the principles of "Honor your lawful agreements."

It would have been nice to transist into this topic in line with its root principles rather then skip how law seemingly evolved.

The course in history of law preceeded England, was what Englands common law was rooted in, and then into the Confederation, and then the United States of America.

Granted, these States formed in the state of nature have their own system[s] of law, yet they are not exempt from the law common.

It is these root principle that allow the Constitution[s] to even exist.
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The reality of the fiction...

The Constitution[s] are agreement[s], drawn by the People who created and composed the several States of the Union, binding on the States and People who are choosing, of their own freewill, to be instated as public servents.

The Constitution[s] are not binding upon the People, it is binding on government Officers.

Who makes the Oath? Who else could be bound?

Another term of the agreement[s] is the addoption of general English common law, except where it has been altered/amended/repealed by Public Law.
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