Moorish ancestry of America

[Soldier of Truth]

Originally Posted by kgod999

George betrayed all the Moors who set them up and help them to model the constitution after the iroquios (cant spell it) oral constitution. truth is truth. Amen Ra

I second that emotion.

The weakness of the lie is that it cannot do so without telling the truth. While truths strength is that it needs nothing to stand on its own.


Any one who's read any of my posts know how I'm big on words and their meanings. I stick to a lot of older etymological English dictionaries, and Latin dictionaries, which is also the language of the Moors. (Don't forget that the Moors occupied Spain for over 800 years.) There is a lot of evidence to support the intentional falsification of certain words of the English language. (To name a few, federal, dollar, money.) If one were to look up the definitions of "Black" and "Free White Person" I think they would be in for a few surprises.

http://usinfo.state.gov/scv/Archive/...17-246412.html


Iroquois Constitution Influenced That of U.S., Historians Say

Smithsonian editors interviewed at First Americans Festival

By Kathryn McConnell
Washington File Staff Writer

Washington -- Benjamin Franklin, one of the original architects of the United States government, introduced as a model for the country's framework document the constitution of the Iroquois Nation, according to a Smithsonian Institution spe******t of American Indian history.

The Iroquois, a North American Indian confederacy of several tribes, allied with some of the first European settlers of what later became the United States.

The Iroquois' detailed constitution -- called the Great Law of Peace -- guaranteed freedom of religion and expression and other rights later embraced in the U.S. Constitution, said Jaime Hill, co-editor of "American Indian," a new Smithsonian magazine about the past, present and future of indigenous peoples from throughout the Western Hemisphere.

Hill and co-editor Millie Knapp participated in a live call-in radio broadcast from Washington September 22 during the First Americans Festival. The September 21-27 event is a major part of events in Washington surrounding the September 21 opening of the Smithsonian's newest museum and the first tribute to American Indians in Washington.

The National Museum of the American Indian (NMAI) is an important recognition of "the first citizens of the Americas," said W. Richard West, the museum's director at the NMAI opening.

On the radio program "Native America Calling" Hill said the Iroquois document also presented to framers of the U.S. Constitution the concept of a two-house legislature and a combined government structure of state jurisdictions and a national government.

According to the Iroquois constitution, states were first to solve disputes between them on their own. If resolution efforts failed then the national government would take authority, Hill said.

The Iroquois place the creation of their constitution, which was recorded on belts, at between 1000 and 1400 A.D., according to the Smithsonian magazine. The Great Law said the national government should have a commander-in-chief and that person should present a "state of the union" address to the nation, Hill said.

The Iroquois' also said that when a legislator was presenting an issue to the governing chamber, others should be quiet, a practice adopted by Congress that contrasts with protocol in the British parliament, Hill said.

Franklin, then Pennsylvania's official printer, became familiar with the Iroquois political system by printing minutes of their meetings, according to the magazine.

"He recognized that the Iroquois constitution contained many features absent in other governments at the time," including the concept that "elected officials were never masters but remained servants of their constituencies," the magazine states.

However, the Iroquois constitution differed from the later U.S. document in one important way -- it specifically mentioned women, said Knapp. Many Indian nations were matriarchal with women nominating legislators, she added.

Native America Calling is a syndicated radio program heard by more than 40 tribal communities throughout the United States and Canada, according to program organizers. The program teaches listeners about languages and cultures once considered to be dying and stresses "compassion" among all cultures for others, said Calling's co-host Patty Talehongva. The program originates from Alaska.

http://usinfo.state.gov/scv/Archive/...17-246412.html

[Soldier of Truth]

Originally Posted by weasel

I looked at the source of your quote, Exodus, and the hebrew word was 'elohiym'. it can mean divine being, or it can mean ruler, judge. not sure which, but it would seem that its talking about the latter.

Elohim is "plural" for gods with an "s."

[Soldier of Truth]

Originally Posted by kgod999

thanx jerseee, look at this prime example of what jerseee is talking about ensabur. a couple months ago at work i was asked to go assist another co-worker unload a truck. im the only moor (black) male at that company, no problem, but i guess the guy wasnt too comfortable with me, but , look at what he said to me,now, remember, this guy dont know me,never talked to me. my CO-WORKER said, " dont take this the wrong way,but, we are losing a lot of jobs in this area to mexicans, if i were to lose my job to one of them, its not gonna be pretty". now, im not gonna tell u guys exactly what he said because it was worse than that but u get the picture. i looked at him and said to myself, why is he telling ME this? is he giving ME a hint, he just as well could have said that black people are taking jobs. well, i told "look,why be upset with mexicans? if u have a beef, shouldnt it be with the government?" he looked at me like i was speaking french or something. the people are STUPID. most racists are STUPID. thats what jerseee really wanted to say, but im saying it myself. most people who have agendas,when u comfront them with truth, they are lost, because its simple to just have a belief system, doesnt require any indept study into anything, besides, they love their beliefs, makes them feel good about their station in the world. i posted a link about the secret race war that the government has on behalf of Spain thats still going on to this day. do u think that thesse presidents, senators, judges, police,etc. join these fraternities and make these pledges and oaths and dont follow thru with them? u r fooling yourself if u dont. they arent afraid of the nation of islam, the kkk, churches or any other organization thats caught up in teaching one of the five ps, the five pillars of faith of the devil, they are afraid of people looking at what they are doing to the people on a daily basis.

Its an art of war. Misdirection. Then divide "to" conquer. One pattern I've found consistent is "reversal." When you're looking in one direction you SHOULD be looking behind you, because that's where the REAL attack is coming from.

Belief systems were found to be EXTREMELY powerful and manipulation of those "belief systems" extremely EFFECTIVE. Because people will defend to the death what they believe, even when they see they were wrong, because they've already committed to a position outwardly. And no one likes to be wrong. That's why it's said, "it takes a BIG man to admit when he's wrong." Because it REALLY does.

[psholtz]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Truth

Elohim is "plural" for gods with an "s."

Yes, that's true.

Although "Elohim" is an odd word, since although the word itself is plural, it modifies the verbs to which it is attached as if it were singular. So translated literally it would be like "the gods runs here" instead of the more natural "the gods run here".

The only similar structure/noun in English, that most readers would be familiar w/, that I know of, and to which an analogy could be drawn, is (ironically) the phrase "the United States" .. Here again, "the United States" is ostensibly a plurality.. there are muliptle "states" that make up the United States (the "s" at the end of United States), but the phrase "United States" modifies verbs as if it were singular: "The United States runs this-and-such program", "The United States is going to do this-and-so.."

This contrasts w/ usage of the phrase before the War Between the States, where it was more common for the phrase to modify verbs in the plural, i.e., the United States are going to do this, the United States run this program, etc. At any rate, our concept of the United States (an e pluribus unum; out of many one) might conform in many ways to the ancient Hebraic notion of Divinity: likewise, apparently, an e pluribus unum..

The French/Spanish occultist Gerard Encausse (Papus) advised that the best translation of "Elohim" into Western tongues would be something like "HE the gods" (and capitalization as Papus renders it, for Hebrew has only capitals).

[psholtz]

Originally Posted by moorishgod

the europeans WANTED to banish all moors from the republic of morocco, but the europeans over in geneva wouldnt allow it, knowing that europeans get their root seed from moors, which they show on the coat of arms of every european nation.

God (or perhaps, Allah.. don't want to be accused of acting in league w/ the Governemnt.Ordained.Department) knows that I'm never one to shy away from a great conspiracy theory, and there are many discrepencies you bring up which I think are interesting and worthy of further research, but I would like to point out that I can't find any European coats of arms w/ Black (Moorish) men on them..

You mentioned specifically Germany and England.


English Coat of Arms


United Kingdom Coat of Arms

Germany indeed is a more complex example since it wasn't even a country until the 1870s, before that what you know of as the "German lands" were a loose confederation of principalities and suzeranities. However, in general, "German" coats of arms have traditionally looked something like this, bearing a black eagle:


Traditional German Coat of Arms

I don't see any Moorish influence in these designs?

[psholtz]

Even the Coat of Arms of the Kingdom of Morocco doesn't feature black people on it, although it (and its flag) does feature the five-pointed Seal of the Magi:



Larger version here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:C...of_Morocco.svg

[psholtz]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Truth

On the radio program "Native America Calling" Hill said the Iroquois document also presented to framers of the U.S. Constitution the concept of a two-house legislature and a combined government structure of state jurisdictions and a national government.

The British Parliament had been divided into two houses, the House of Commons and the House of Lords, since the reign of King Edward III (1312-1377).

I think it's exceedingly more likely that the framers of the Constitution drew their notions for a bicameral legislature from the English example, and from the examples of the various colonial/State legislatures, some of which were bicameral.

Do we even know if the Iroquois had a "congress" or "legislature", to say nothing of whether it was bicameral?

As far as a national government presiding over regional state governments (or perhaps vice versa, as Constitutionalists would prefer it), this too is a very common "design pattern" in governmental structure. It was used in the Holy Roman Empire, where an Imperial Diet (and Holy Roman Emperor) presided over local/regional principalities (ruled by princes) and other smaller suzeranities. This structure of the Holy Roman Empire is cited in the Federalist Papers. Many other examples of similar, multi-tiered government structures can be found in European and Middle Eastern history, both ancient and more recent.

Whether the Iroquois had such a division of responsibility in their govenrment, I don't know. But if they did, it could either have arisen through (a) prior contact between the Old and New Worlds; or (b) through the natural evolution of archetypes and "design patterns" common in all human thought, whether European, Middle East or Iroquois.

But I don't think you can seriously say that the framers of the Constitution drew inspiration for these ideas from the Iroquois. Maybe they had some contact w/ the Iroquois, and maybe those tribes did practice such policies, and maybe that re-inforced the framers thinking along these lines, but European (and Middle Eastern) history presents plenty of thinking along the same lines. Enough so to say that it's a stretch to say that the Iroquois were the direct inspiration for modern American government.

[Soldier of Truth]

Originally Posted by psholtz

The British Parliament had been divided into two houses, the House of Commons and the House of Lords, since the reign of King Edward III (1312-1377).

I think it's exceedingly more likely that the framers of the Constitution drew their notions for a bicameral legislature from the English example, and from the examples of the various colonial/State legislatures, some of which were bicameral.

Do we even know if the Iroquois had a "congress" or "legislature", to say nothing of whether it was bicameral?

As far as a national government presiding over regional state governments (or perhaps vice versa, as Constitutionalists would prefer it), this too is a very common "design pattern" in governmental structure. It was used in the Holy Roman Empire, where an Imperial Diet (and Holy Roman Emperor) presided over local/regional principalities (ruled by princes) and other smaller suzeranities. This structure of the Holy Roman Empire is cited in the Federalist Papers. Many other examples of similar, multi-tiered government structures can be found in European and Middle Eastern history, both ancient and more recent.

Whether the Iroquois had such a division of responsibility in their govenrment, I don't know. But if they did, it could either have arisen through (a) prior contact between the Old and New Worlds; or (b) through the natural evolution of archetypes and "design patterns" common in all human thought, whether European, Middle East or Iroquois.

But I don't think you can seriously say that the framers of the Constitution drew inspiration for these ideas from the Iroquois. Maybe they had some contact w/ the Iroquois, and maybe those tribes did practice such policies, and maybe that re-inforced the framers thinking along these lines, but European (and Middle Eastern) history presents plenty of thinking along the same lines. Enough so to say that it's a stretch to say that the Iroquois were the direct inspiration for modern American government.

That statement you have attributed to "Soldier of Truth" cannot be attributed to him per se. It is a "link" that I've provided from the U.S. Government's Archive web page. So any of your rebuttals need to be addressed to the author. It was only proffered because it was provided by the U.S. Government's web site.

[Soldier of Truth]

Originally Posted by psholtz

Even the Coat of Arms of the Kingdom of Morocco doesn't feature black people on it, although it (and its flag) does feature the five-pointed Seal of the Magi:



Larger version here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:C...of_Morocco.svg

I have been told (I haven't facts as of yet to support this contention) that Morocco was here [North America] just as New Spain once was here in Central America. In addition, the information that I have been provided (from Congressional records) that in the time period of the Treaties of Peace and Friendship (178?) do not coincide with the "corporate" Morocco on Africa, which is purported to be established in (194?). This, if factual, would support the assertions of the current Morocco not being the same as the Morocco that entered into the Treaty of Peace and Friendship with the United States.

[netwrkranger]

From the videos that I posted today, Morocco was located in New York and is the reason it is called the 'Empire State'.

I am looking for coat of arms with Moorish influences or people on them.