How did this happen?

[Jerry Pitts]

Perhaps some conversation on this attachment can clarify some things ... or maybe create more contention... who knows what is going on anymore.

Jerry Carlos

[trooper2ls]

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is not "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC"

This appears to be a non-profit org created by Elwood Dees in Ohio. The "secretary" position that he lists as "Ann Baden" is actually his wife Ann Dees as her maiden name. Elwood is 60 years old now. My guess it that it was a marketing thing.

..J

[Jerry Pitts]

Originally Posted by trooper2ls

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is not "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC"

This appears to be a non-profit org created by Elwood Dees in Ohio. The "secretary" position that he lists as "Ann Baden" is actually his wife Ann Dees as her maiden name. Elwood is 60 years old now. My guess it that it was a marketing thing.

..J

Marketing? Perhaps. Like I said, for conversation purposes only.

I also noticed that the documentation shows that an entry date of somewhere around 1972 was mentioned. As such, it means that this company/corporation was active for a number of years; bearing the name of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC. Would that not immediately through up major red flags with the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? Seems to me that the ptb's would have shut him down and thrown him in prison for attempting to usurp the name of the Country. HMMMM.
You know something like a copyright infringement.

Jerry Carlos

[trooper2ls]

Could be the reason they were shut down.. you never know. Dees and his wife still live in Hamlton, Ohio according to Intellus records. Didn't see any judgements against him.. may have been a courtesy thing.. or possibly they didn't care as long as they paid their taxes.

Like that city named Usa on the island of Kyushu in Japan. "Made in USA" the lable says.. Hmmmm.

Of course Japan has a city named Obama too..

..L

[Jerry Pitts]

Originally Posted by trooper2ls

Could be the reason they were shut down.. you never know. Dees and his wife still live in Hamlton, Ohio according to Intellus records. Didn't see any judgements against him.. may have been a courtesy thing.. or possibly they didn't care as long as they paid their taxes.

Like that city named Usa on the island of Kyushu in Japan. "Made in USA" the lable says.. Hmmmm.

Of course Japan has a city named Obama too..

..L

Just for kicks. Suppose, like other charades performed by the government, these people were paid well, to make such a registration, for the sole purpose of making official, the registration of such an organization that truly characterized the nation known as United States of America?

So what really is in a name? Does a name really make a difference? How many times can a man or woman change his/her name?

Jerry Carlos

[trooper2ls]

Originally Posted by Jerry Pitts

Just for kicks. Suppose, like other charades performed by the government, these people were paid well, to make such a registration, for the sole purpose of making official, the registration of such an organization that truly characterized the nation known as United States of America?

So what really is in a name? Does a name really make a difference? How many times can a man or woman change his/her name?

Jerry Carlos

A word game most people overlook is identity and standing of the principal of interest, particularly on court documents. If the "United States of America" is the prosecuting or complaining party … Who the devil is the "United States of America"?

The Constitution of the United States – that's the proper title – vests authority in a governmental entity designated and known as the "United States".

Here again, some evil genius worked a spell: The "United States of America" is a coalition or compact of territories belonging to the United States, which by strange coincidence are defined as "States".

Actually, government officials of the "several States" party to the Constitution participate in this fraud through the Organization of States, which is completely de facto – in fact, but not in law. The Constitution of the United States prohibits establishing new states within jurisdiction of existing states, so the notion that Oklahoma, California, New York or any other state which belongs to the Union of the several States party to the Constitution can be an instrumentality or State of the United States is simply a bureaucratic scam. The scam developed and was put in place after people serving in local, state and federal government convened in Denver in 1935 to sign a compact of intergovernmental dependence.

Don't confuse the Department of the Treasury with the Treasury of the United States, also known as the Treasury Department. The Department of the Treasury of the United States is an executive department, where the Treasury of the United States is independent, evidently accountable to the Senate. The Department of the Treasury has virtually no authority relating to administration of United States tax laws – GAO, as agent for the Treasury of the United States, has that responsibility.

If your humor is stretching thin, try this: The Federal Bureau of Investigation is an administratively created agency in the Department of Justice. So far as investigative and enforcement powers are concerned, the only authority FBI has relates to investigation of Federal government officers and employees. FBI was not created via Congress' legislative authority, and has no powers beyond those vested in the Department of Justice.

Law is extremely precise. Every letter, capitalization, punctuation mark, etc., in a legal document is utilized for a specific reason and has legal (i.e. deadly force) consequences. If, for instance, one attempts to file articles of incorporation in the office of a Secretary of State of a State, if the exact title of the corporation — down to every jot and tittle — is not exactly the same each and every time the corporation is referenced in the documents to be filed, the Secretary of State will refuse to file the papers. This is because each time the name of the corporation is referenced it must be set forth identically in order to express the same legal entity. The tiniest difference in the name of the corporation identifies an entirely different legal person.

"Extra territorium just dicenti non paretur impune."
"One who exercises jurisdiction out of his territory cannot be obeyed with impunity."


"Ad recte docendum oportet, primum inquirere nomina, quia rerum cognitio a nominibusrerum dependet."

"In order rightly to comprehend a thing, inquire first into the names, for a right knowledge of things depends upon their names."

Conclusion: There are no official or unofficial English grammar style manuals or reference publications that recognize the use of all caps when writing a proper name. To do so is by fiat, within and out of an undisclosed jurisdiction by unknown people for unrevealed reasons, by juristic license of arbitrary presumption not based on fact. The authors of the process unilaterally create legal fictions for their own reasons and set about to get us to take the bait, fall for the deceit.

..J

[Jerry Pitts]

Originally Posted by trooper2ls

A word game most people overlook is identity and standing of the principal of interest, particularly on court documents. If the "United States of America" is the prosecuting or complaining party … Who the devil is the "United States of America"?

The Constitution of the United States – that's the proper title – vests authority in a governmental entity designated and known as the "United States".

Here again, some evil genius worked a spell: The "United States of America" is a coalition or compact of territories belonging to the United States, which by strange coincidence are defined as "States".

Actually, government officials of the "several States" party to the Constitution participate in this fraud through the Organization of States, which is completely de facto – in fact, but not in law. The Constitution of the United States prohibits establishing new states within jurisdiction of existing states, so the notion that Oklahoma, California, New York or any other state which belongs to the Union of the several States party to the Constitution can be an instrumentality or State of the United States is simply a bureaucratic scam. The scam developed and was put in place after people serving in local, state and federal government convened in Denver in 1935 to sign a compact of intergovernmental dependence.

Don't confuse the Department of the Treasury with the Treasury of the United States, also known as the Treasury Department. The Department of the Treasury of the United States is an executive department, where the Treasury of the United States is independent, evidently accountable to the Senate. The Department of the Treasury has virtually no authority relating to administration of United States tax laws – GAO, as agent for the Treasury of the United States, has that responsibility.

If your humor is stretching thin, try this: The Federal Bureau of Investigation is an administratively created agency in the Department of Justice. So far as investigative and enforcement powers are concerned, the only authority FBI has relates to investigation of Federal government officers and employees. FBI was not created via Congress' legislative authority, and has no powers beyond those vested in the Department of Justice.

Law is extremely precise. Every letter, capitalization, punctuation mark, etc., in a legal document is utilized for a specific reason and has legal (i.e. deadly force) consequences. If, for instance, one attempts to file articles of incorporation in the office of a Secretary of State of a State, if the exact title of the corporation — down to every jot and tittle — is not exactly the same each and every time the corporation is referenced in the documents to be filed, the Secretary of State will refuse to file the papers. This is because each time the name of the corporation is referenced it must be set forth identically in order to express the same legal entity. The tiniest difference in the name of the corporation identifies an entirely different legal person.

"Extra territorium just dicenti non paretur impune."
"One who exercises jurisdiction out of his territory cannot be obeyed with impunity."


"Ad recte docendum oportet, primum inquirere nomina, quia rerum cognitio a nominibusrerum dependet."

"In order rightly to comprehend a thing, inquire first into the names, for a right knowledge of things depends upon their names."

Conclusion: There are no official or unofficial English grammar style manuals or reference publications that recognize the use of all caps when writing a proper name. To do so is by fiat, within and out of an undisclosed jurisdiction by unknown people for unrevealed reasons, by juristic license of arbitrary presumption not based on fact. The authors of the process unilaterally create legal fictions for their own reasons and set about to get us to take the bait, fall for the deceit.

..J

Excellent information Trooper. Perhaps I should look again at the document that I sent to you, and survey it for those type of errors. If there are such errors, then it would behoove me to do an amendment/correction.

Jerry Carlos

[amenmesse]

In part of this your looking at a Roman precarium, which is precarious. Precariums were five year plans where government or its agents went on a five year venture to produce income or open new avenues of commerce. Remembering older newpaper articles, Russia used to use five year plans. Notice the five years.

"was received.......nineteenth day of April, 1989........void the first day of March, A.D. 1994 for non payment....."

If you ever watched the Discovery channel on king crab fishing in the Bering Sea, precariums are similar to that relationship but on a longer duration. Collect a capital fund, buy the assets and resources, go on the voyage, discover, acquire commerce objects, return, sell off assets and resources, pay creditors, split the remanant capitol among the adventurers. When government is operating in its private capacity such as this and its going to create a colony/plantation of legal interests to develop commerce and resources for commerce, it will need a business agent, hence the private corporate entity. If legal issues were to develop it was necessary to serve process the business agent is there to receive process. Or if government wanted to regulate the rights and duties within the organization it can change corporate situs for that purpose. The end object of all this being a private economy.

[quasimodo]

I've started calling it "US LLC"

[Jerry Pitts]

Originally Posted by quasimodo

I've started calling it "US LLC"

That is a novel idea. I like it. It is even appropriate considering the commercial nature of its' being.

Jerry Carlos