BOEs

#1 03-14-2004, 09:10 AM

Not new to fighting tax agents, but much of the discussion here includes discussion of things new to me, bills of exchange, certified promissory notes (aks CPNs, thanks Ice), and so forth.

Haven't looked at it yet, but since I'm learning all this stuff from the beginning, I found this:

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/B-4/

Bills of Exchange Act, 1985

Maybe that'll get me started. Might help others, like me, who find this sort of confusing right now. I mean, I offer one TO the tax agents, but don't understand who the "third party" is.....

Randy

suijuris · #2 03-14-2004, 10:36 AM

Randy,

That code is for Canada, I would not spend to much time on that... try to find something similar for your state or for the US.

Sui Juris

#3 03-14-2004, 11:01 AM

Well, duh. Told you I hadn't looked at it. Found the link and off I go....

I feel so stooooooooooopid.

Randy

#4 03-14-2004, 11:14 AM

Is this better?

http://www.jus.uio.no/lm/bills.of.exchange.and.promissory.notes.convention. 1930/doc.html#288

If so, boy, am I gonna have a bizillion questions. Well, actually only the one that I can't seem to answer for myself:

"Who's the 'third party' responsible for payment?

But, I'm workin' on it.

Randy

#5 03-14-2004, 11:25 AM

Okay, thinking outloud on this thread....

re "promissory notes":

Just found that there is/can be/must be (?) "disclosure of terms" clause.

So a cpn to tax agents would be, at this point in my understanding, a "promise" to pay based upon their "disclosure"???

This becomes the "next step" beyond a simple "non-refusal" to pay which accompanies my usual VOD letters, right?

Remember, thinkin' out loud here...

edit: ah, from score.org:
"Debt Financing is money that you will pay back,
usually with interest, over a set time period and in accordance with specific terms. Some traditional
sources for debt financing are banks and credit cards."

I know. "score" is about "business loans," but I'm looking for reinforcement of the inclusion of "specific terms" to be satisfied by the party to whom the cpn/boe is offered.

Okay...break time...

I'm back: Ah. Realized that irs/state tax agents refer to ssn as "social security numbers" AND "account" number, and when it's "ss" they use dashed, but NO dashed when referring to my "account."& So I DO have an "account," of some kind, somewhere....

Randy

suijuris · #6 03-14-2004, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy

Is this better?

http://www.jus.uio.no/lm/bills.of.exchange.and.promissory.notes.convention. 1930/doc.html#288

If so, boy, am I gonna have a bizillion questions. Well, actually only the one that I can't seem to answer for myself:

"Who's the 'third party' responsible for payment?

But, I'm workin' on it.

Randy

Randy, that one is in Norway. 8O
As you can see, google may not be the best place to research BOEs.

Maybe you could start here:
http://www.suijuris.net/main/suijuri...&showtopic=136

Sui Juris

#7 03-14-2004, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SuiJuris

Randy, that one is in Norway. 8O As you can see, google may not be the best place to research BOEs. Maybe you could start here:

Oh, noooooo. I am mortified. The devil's in the details, right?

And think: They let ME drive a big ol' truck all over the place?

Maybe I'll just move to Norway?

Thanks, SuiJuris. I 'preciate it.

Randy

#8 03-14-2004, 06:04 PM

Okay, I gotta let go of this one for a while....Something I'm missing. The words and terms make sense, but just missing the practical applicability of it all. I'll probably be headin' down the interstate and it'll "hit" me....

Randy

suijuris · #9 03-14-2004, 09:17 PM

I hear they have some nice scenery in in Norway, if you know what I mean. So it may not be that bad there.

I would study negotiable instruments first, get comfortable with that first... then move on to BOEs.

Sui Juris

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