Gay Marriage

mbrwny20 · #1 06-05-2005, 03:43 PM

There has been alot of debate over gay marriage the last few years. Talks of ammendments, pundits and activists arguing on corporate media channels, and tons of essys by fundamentalists, psychologists and more.

But all of this nonsense avoids asking the real question.

Why does anyone request permmission to marry?

Where did this so called authority come from, and who gave it to them?

Although my personal belief is that homosexuality is immoral, by my own rule set. And I also believe it to be a choice. I believe it is a choice because it is against all the proper and good things my God wishes for us to endeavor in, and besides that gays can't procreate, therfore serve no functional purpose towards the survival of the species.

That aside, their choice and how I feel about it, is about as important as arguing about why your favorite color is wrong and mine is right.

My question is that it seems that the biggest reasons gays want their "marriage" recognized is for inheritance purposes, as well as having the ability to make medical decisions on their partners behalf.

Could this not be accomplished with a Trust, Living Will, Will, Power of Attorney, and Durable Power of Attorney for Health Care?

For all intensive purposes they would be treated as "married", right?

weishaupt1776 · #2 06-05-2005, 04:17 PM

I'm not sure how studied you are in conspirology, but a technique called the Hegelian dialectic is always employed to where on Elitist org controls 2 sides of a conflict in order to achieve the results which they want.

It all amounts to control over people, so the elite has one guy or more start a pro-gay org & some more start an anti-gay org. Usually if you do enough research you will see that on both sides are members of elite groups such as the Council on Foreign relations, etc . . .

The goal is to just get people dependent on the STATE so the STATE can be their GOD.

Also, rampant homosexuality is a communist strategy and has been for a long time.

iamfreeru2 · #3 06-05-2005, 04:26 PM

YHWH loves the person, but hates the act. I am against the act of homosexuallity, but I too love the person. I will pray for them that YHWH will open their eyes to the truth. Genesis 2:24: "For this cause a man shall leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and they shall become one flesh." There is nothing in Scripture anywhere that says two men or two women should marry.This has been reserved for a man and woman and is ordained of YHWH. Leviticus 18:22: "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." I Corinthians 6:9-10 NASB: "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of YHWH? Do not be deceived, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homesexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of YHWH."

Some would call the above hate speach even though it is found in YHWH's word. I call that a loving message telling us the things we should avoid if we want to live a life of blessings and abundance. It comes from a loving Father who only wants what's best for His children. He expects and deserves our obedience.

mbrwny20 · #4 06-05-2005, 04:41 PM

I am not well versed or learned. I had read a book awhile back that dealt with soviet mind control techniques. Some of the issues they used to force and coerce the population to rely upon the state were, as you mentioned an increase in homosexuality. Also an increase in "disease" or "affliction" that would require medication, and a host of other things. The disease thing really got to me. Today we see, ADD, Adult ADD, Irritable Bowel Syndrome, Chronic Fatigue, and on and on and on.

The goal. Get people to go to their doctor and request medication. Rather than rely upon their mind and spirit, as well as all that is good from the land, air, and sea. They take medication it alters their thinking, and makes them more dependant.

I understand I am straying, but in my original post I pointed out that this gay marriage issue is a distraction from the real issue.

It is the same as when people argue about "under God" in the pledge of allegiance. They fail to delve deeper and see that the pledge was written by a socialist by the name of Edward Bellamy. His goal was to gradually remove individualism, and institute an ideology of commitment to the community rather than self.

His book "Looking Backward 2000 to 1887" details his plan.

http://www.archive.org/details/lkbak10

Other than that I would still like to know if gays could use the instruments I describe to somewhat achieve the status they desire?

mbrwny20 · #5 06-05-2005, 04:45 PM

I agree, it not for us to condone, nor condemn. It is not our work to do. Our purpose is to set the example, extend unconditional love towards others, especially those who practice things we detest. To walk the proper path, and by doing so, show the way to others. They must excercise free will, and come upon it themselves. Force, fraud, and coercion, are not productive, and in fact counter-productive.

weishaupt1776 · #6 06-05-2005, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mbrwny20

My question is that it seems that the biggest reasons gays want their "marriage" recognized is for inheritance purposes, as well as having the ability to make medical decisions on their partners behalf.

Could this not be accomplished with a Trust, Living Will, Will, Power of Attorney, and Durable Power of Attorney for Health Care?

Yes their ASSets could be covered this way. Thing is, the mass hoopla being propagated deters people from seeing remedies like that.
Alot of Gay attorneys would be out of job.
The homosexual community has lotsa cash, and the gay lawyers thrive on it.

mbrwny20 · #7 06-05-2005, 07:02 PM

Weis,

Thank you for answering my question. It is not my intention to defend nor condone the behaviour of certain persons. I just wanted to know if they are arguing out of ignorance, as well as pomp and circumstance. Rather than simply live their way. It seems to me, to be a quest for their 15 minutes.

chuckhs12 · #8 06-06-2005, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mbrwny20

My question is that it seems that the biggest reasons gays want their "marriage" recognized is for inheritance purposes, as well as having the ability to make medical decisions on their partners behalf.

Could this not be accomplished with a Trust, Living Will, Will, Power of Attorney, and Durable Power of Attorney for Health Care?

For all intensive purposes they would be treated as "married", right?

Weis is correct in that they could use this. The main problem they run into with these instruments is if the individuals family wants control and contest these instruments. With a marriage, it makes it harder for the family to contest. Also they want to be able to use the married tax filing.

This is what I have heard and understand as the issue.