More 911 Evidence of Inside Job

[charlesa6]

Yeah, you don't even no who is who telling the fact.

[BOBT12]

The government's weak story continues to fall apart:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/200706.../prweb534642_1

New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon

Thu Jun 21, 3:01 AM ET

Pilots for 9/11 Truth obtained black box data from the government under the Freedom of Information Act for AA Flight 77, which The 9/11 Report claims hit the Pentagon. Analysis of the data contradicts the official account in direction, approach, and altitude. The plane was too high to hit lamp posts and would have flown over the Pentagon, not impacted with its ground floor. This result confirms and strengthens the previous findings of Scholars for 9/11 Truth that no Boeing 757 hit the buillding.
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Madison, WI (PRWEB) June 21, 2007 - A study of the black box data provided by the government to Pilots for 9/11 Truth has confirmed the previous findings of Scholars for 9/11 Truth that no Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon on 9/11. "We have had four lines of proof that no Boeing 757 hit the building," said James Fetzer, founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth. "This new study by Pilots drives another nail into a coffin of lies told the American people by The 9/11 Commission":

The new society, an international organization of pilots and aviation professionals, petitioned the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) under the Freedom of Information Act and obtained its 2002 report on American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757 that, according to the official account, hit the ground floor of the Pentagon after it skimmed over the lawn at 500 mph plus, taking out a series of lamp posts in the process. The pilots not only obtained the flight data but created a computer animation to demonstrate what it told them.

According to the report issued by Pilots for 9/11 Truth (http://pilotsfor911truth.org/), there are major differences between the official account and the flight data:

a. The NTSB Flight Path Animation approach path and altitude does not support official events.
b. All Altitude data shows the aircraft at least 300 feet too high to have struck the light poles.
c. The rate of descent data is in direct conflict with the aircraft being able to impact the light poles and be captured in the Dept of Defense "5 Frames" video of an object traveling nearly parallel with the Pentagon lawn.
d. The record of data stops at least one second prior to official impact time.
e. If data trends are continued, the aircraft altitude would have been at least 100 feet too high to have hit the Pentagon.

As Robert Balsamo, co-founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth, observes, "The information in the NSTB documents does not support, and in some instances factually contradicts, the official government position that American Airlines Flight 77 struck the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, 2001." The study was signed by fifteen professional pilots with extensive military and commercial carrier experience. They have made their animation, "Pandora's Box: Chapter 2," available to the public at http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Pandora's+Black+Box%3A+Chapter+2 .

According to James H. Fetzer, founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth (http://911scholars.org), this result fits into the broader picture of what happened at the Pentagon that day. "We have developed four lines of argument that prove--conclusively, in my judgment--that no Boeing 757 hit the building. The most important evidence to the contrary has been the numerous eyewitness reports of a large commercial carrier coming toward the building. If the NTSB data is correct, then the Pilot's study shows that a large aircraft headed toward the building but did not impact with it. It swerved off and flew above the Pentagon."

Fetzer, who retired last June after 35 years of teaching courses in logic, critical thinking, and scientific reasoning, expressed pleasure over the Pilot's results, which, he said, has neatly resolved the most pressing issue that remained about the Pentagon. He added, "We have previously developed several lines of argument, each of which proves that no Boeing 757 hit the building," including these four:

(1) The hit point at the Pentagon was too small to accommodate a 100-ton airliner with a 125-foot wingspan and a tail that stands 44 feet above the ground; the kind and quantity of debris was wrong for a Boeing 757: there were no wings, no fuselage, no seats, no bodies, no luggage, no tail! Not even the engines were recovered, and they are practically indestructible.

(2) Of an estimate 84 videotapes of the crash, the three that have been released by the Pentagon do not show a Boeing 757 hitting the building, as even Bill O'Reilly admitted when one was shown on "The Factor". At 155 feet, the plane was more than twice as long as the 77-foot Pentagon is high and should have been visible. There are indications of a much smaller plane, but not a Boeing 757.

(3) Indeed, the aerodynamics of flight would have made the official trajectory--flying more than 500 mph barely above ground level--physically impossible, because of the accumulation of a massive pocket of compressed gas (air) beneath the fuselage; and if it had come it at an angle instead, it would have created a massive crater; but there is no crater and the official trajectory is impossible.

(4) Flying low enough to impact with the ground floor would have meant that the enormous engines were plowing the ground and creating massive furrows; but there are no massive furrows. The smooth, unblemished surface of the Pentagon lawn thus stands as a "smoking gun" proving the official trajectory cannot be sustained.

Members of Scholars have contributed to a new book that analyses the government's official account, according to which 19 Islamic fundamentalists hijacked four commercial airliners, outfoxed the most sophisticated air-defense system in the world, and committed these atrocities under the control of a man in a cave in Afghanistan. Entitled, THE 9/11 CONSPIRACY (2007), it includes photographs of the hit point before and after the upper floors collapsed, the crucial frame from the released videos, and views of the clear, smooth, and unblemished lawn.

"Don't be taken in by photos showing damage to the second floor or those taken after the upper floors collapsed, which happened 20-30 minutes later," Fetzer said. "In fact, debris begins to show up on the completely clean lawn in short order, which might have been dropped from a C-130 that was circling above the Pentagon or placed there by men in suits who were photographed carrying debris with them." The most striking is a piece from the fuselage of a commercial airliner, which is frequently adduced as evidence.

James Hanson, a newspaper reporter who earned his law degree from the University of Michigan College of Law, has traced that debris to an American Airlines 757 that crashed in a rain forest above Cali, Columbia in 1995. "It was the kind of slow-speed crash that would have torn off paneling in this fashion, with no fires, leaving them largely intact." Fetzer has been so impressed with his research he has invited Hanson to submit his study to Scholars for consideration for publication on its web site, 911scholars.org.

"The Pentagon has become a kind of litmus test for rationality in the study of 9/11," Fetzer said. "Those who persist in maintaining that a Boeing 757 hit the building are either unfamiliar with the evidence or cognitively impaired. Unless," he added, "they want to mislead the American people. The evidence is beyond clear and compelling. It places this issue 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon."

[Shoonra]

One of the problems with all the theories is that they require an enormous number of participants -- and each little corollary that contrived to patch some flaw in the theory adds something that would require even more participants. I'm talking about hundreds of technicians, including a lot of military people of various ranks. And yet, even five years later not a single one of them has come forward with a nagging conscience.

What is at least as likely, I think, is that, instead of orchestrating or even faking the plane crashes, the Bush Administration simply knew that this terrorist crime was in the works and simply allowed it to continue unimpeded in order to have a pretext for war and dictatorial powergrabbing. The inner circle of the Administration didn't necessarily know the names of the hijackers or when or where they were going to strike or their targets, only that a terrorist act on domestic soil was in the works somewhere, sometime.

This helps explain the total lack of preparation, the slow reaction, and the secret transport of Saudi Royals and Bin Laden relatives out of the country only a few days after the attack.

[rottweiler]

The government said the mafia didn't exist, then the CFR didn't exist, then it was the Bilderbergers. Now you are saying the NWO can't get enough people to work together to bring those towers down and cover it up.

The Manhattan project had 100,000 participants and it remained a secret until the mushroom cloud over Hiroshima. If we were having this type of conversation a week before the blast you would say no way, impossible!

Originally Posted by Shoonra

One of the problems with all the theories is that they require an enormous number of participants -- and each little corollary that contrived to patch some flaw in the theory adds something that would require even more participants. I'm talking about hundreds of technicians, including a lot of military people of various ranks. And yet, even five years later not a single one of them has come forward with a nagging conscience.

What is at least as likely, I think, is that, instead of orchestrating or even faking the plane crashes, the Bush Administration simply knew that this terrorist crime was in the works and simply allowed it to continue unimpeded in order to have a pretext for war and dictatorial powergrabbing. The inner circle of the Administration didn't necessarily know the names of the hijackers or when or where they were going to strike or their targets, only that a terrorist act on domestic soil was in the works somewhere, sometime.

This helps explain the total lack of preparation, the slow reaction, and the secret transport of Saudi Royals and Bin Laden relatives out of the country only a few days after the attack.

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

One of the problems with all the theories is that they require an enormous number of participants -- and each little corollary that contrived to patch some flaw in the theory adds something that would require even more participants. I'm talking about hundreds of technicians, including a lot of military people of various ranks. And yet, even five years later not a single one of them has come forward with a nagging conscience.

While this is not an unreasonable view, yet, I feel rottweiler makes a very good point, many governments have been less than honest with with the populations they appear to represent. History, as well as, current events suggest this nation is no exception regarding public deception.

What is at least as likely, I think, is that, instead of orchestrating or even faking the plane crashes, the Bush Administration simply knew that this terrorist crime was in the works and simply allowed it to continue unimpeded in order to have a pretext for war and dictatorial powergrabbing. The inner circle of the Administration didn't necessarily know the names of the hijackers or when or where they were going to strike or their targets, only that a terrorist act on domestic soil was in the works somewhere, sometime.

This is actually quite some insight.

This helps explain the total lack of preparation, the slow reaction, and the secret transport of Saudi Royals and Bin Laden relatives out of the country only a few days after the attack.

I agree, at the very least, this is likely the case. The consequences of this action are enormous!

[truthmatrix]

Some people knew beforehand of terrorist attacks:

Willie Brown got low-key early warning about air travel Sept 12,2001

For Mayor Willie Brown, the first signs that something was amiss came late Monday when he got a call from what he described as his airport security - - a full eight hours before yesterday's string of terrorist attacks -- advising him that Americans should be cautious about their air travel.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...2/MN229389.DTL


FEMA Knew:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pPRQNCkdJxA

Bush saw the first plane crash on tv...before it aired!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm73wOuPL60

Scripted BBC Reports WTC 7 collapsed before it actually did!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oNhbsJ81Q4


More people knew about the coming attacks:

September 10, 2001: Alarm Bells Sound over Unusual Trading in US Stock Options Market [CBS News, 9/19/01]

September 10, 2001: US Intercepts: Watch the News and Tomorrow Will Be a Great Day for Us [USA Today, 6/4/02]

September 10, 2001: US Generals Warned Not to Fly on Morning of 9/11 [Newsweek, 9/17/01]

September 10, 2001: NSA Intercepts: The Match Is About to Begin and Tomorrow Is Zero Hour [Reuters, 9/9/02]

Before September 11, 2001: NSA intercept We're Ready to Go, Big Thing Coming Not Analyzed Until After 9/11 [Newsweek, 9/24/01]

September 11, 2001: The 9/11 Attack: 3,000 Die in New York City and Washington, D.C.

Project for New American Century:
To prepare the ground for the PNAC-like ideas that were circulating in the HardRight, various wealthy individuals and corporations helped set up far-right think-tanks, and bought up various media outlets -- newspapers, magazines, TV networks, radio talk shows, cable channels, etc. -- in support of that day when all the political tumblers would click into place and the PNAC cabal and their supporters could assume control.

This happened with the Supreme Court's selection of George W. Bush in 2000. The "outsiders" from PNAC were now powerful "insiders," placed in important positions from which they could exert maximum pressure on U.S. policy: Cheney is Vice President, Rumsfeld is Defense Secretary, Wolfowitz is Deputy Defense Secretary, I. Lewis Libby is Cheney's Chief of Staff, Elliot Abrams is in charge of Middle East policy at the National Security Council, Dov Zakheim is comptroller for the Defense Department, John Bolton is Undersecretary of State, Richard Perle is chair of the Defense Policy advisory board at the Pentagon, former CIA director James Woolsey is on that panel as well, etc. etc. (PNAC's chairman, Bill Kristol, is the editor of The Weekly Standard.) In short, PNAC had a lock on military policy-creation in the Bush Administration.

But, in order to unleash their foreign/military campaigns without taking all sorts of flak from the traditional wing of the conservative GOP -- which was more isolationist, more opposed to expanding the role of the federal government, more opposed to military adventurism abroad -- they needed a context that would permit them free rein. The events of 9/11 rode to their rescue. (In one of their major reports, written in 2000, they noted that "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor.")

The Bush Administration used those acts of terrorism -- and the fear generated in the general populace -- as their cover for enacting all sorts of draconian measures domestically (the Patriot Act, drafted earlier, was rushed through Congress in the days following 9/11; few members even read it) and as their rationalization for launching military campaigns abroad.

http://www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/PNAC-Primer.htm

Yeah, right...no one knew!

It's time for "We the People" to restore the Constitution for these United States of America and take back our Great Nation from the NeoCons!!!

[BOBT12]

Yes, truthmatrix its hard to deny that a number of individuals, in and out of government, had knowledge of the events of 9-11. And some of these people helped shape those events.

[Shoonra]

The Willie Brown story has been completely distorted. Brown, being a Democrat and constant critic of Bush, would not have gotten a warning even if the Bushies had perfect foreknowledge of all the details. Apparently someone forgot that Los Angeles is 3 hours behind NYC. Brown got word shortly after 6 am Pacific Time - several minutes after the planes actually hit the WTC at 9 am Eastern Time.

The FEMA story and Bush seeing the "first crash" similarly distorted. Some of these stories depend entirely on someone's confusion, and turn out not to be solid when investigated. And some of these stories turn out to be pure invention with no substance whatever. For example, the story of someone selling massive shares of American Airlines stock just before the WTC crash, turns out to be (a) not traceable to anyone mentioned in any of the conspiracy theories, and (b) inspired by a public statement issued that day by American Airlines that it had massive losses in the preceding months.

[truthmatrix]

High ranking military men and women, Congressmen, Senators, Scientist, Scholars, Experts, FBI, Intelligence agents all questioned the official 911 story.
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

Morgan Reynolds, PhD
Morgan Reynolds, PhD – Chief Economist, U.S. Department of Labor under George W. Bush 2001 - 2002. Former Director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis. Professor Emeritus, Economics, Texas A&M University.

"I first began to suspect that 9/11 was an inside job when the Bush-Cheney Administration invaded Iraq… We can prove that the government’s story is false." Morgan Reynolds.

Morgan Reynolds on Fox news:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB550mIgcN4

In 1992, George H.W. Bush told White House reporter Sarah McClendon:
If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and be lynched.

[ZOBOLI]

The end "justifies" the means. The MONEY CHANGERS have been using their elected PUPPETS to lie through their teeth. After their many infiltrations, WWI, WWII, plus all other operations have far exceeded 100 million murders, and counting. Their rapture lies have not only blindfolded their "enemy combatants," but also the friendly fools and followers "caught up" unto their insane cunning and evil doing manipulations:

The Bases Are Loaded


Will the U.S. ever leave Iraq? Official policy promises an eventual departure, while warning of the dire consequences of a "premature" withdrawal. But while Washington equivocates, facts on the ground tell another story. Independent journalist Dahr Jamail, and author Chalmers Johnson, are discovering that military bases in Iraq are being consolidated from over a hundred to a handful of "megabases" with lavish amenities. Much of what is taking place is obscured by denials and quibbles over the definition of "permanent." The Bases Are Loaded covers a wide range of topics. Gary Hart, James Goldsborough, Nadia Keilani, Raed Jarrar, Bruce Finley Kam Zarrabi and Mark Rudd all add their observations about the extent and purpose of the bases in Iraq.