The truth about CointelPro

[mystic one]

i found the thread about the truth about nation of islam so fascinating, i have decided to start a new thread that will only discuss fbi/cointelpro tactics.

Do you feel CointelPro was involved in the deaths of Raymond Lee Washington and his successor Stanley Tookie Williams in the "Crips History"?

Do you feel CointelPro was involved in the deaths of Tupac and Biggie ? Wheter it be hiring nation of islam hitmen, gangmembers, or the the lapd?

Please keep comments relevant to cointelpro tactics

[idknow]

Originally Posted by mystic one

i found the thread about the truth about nation of islam so fascinating, i have decided to start a new thread that will only discuss fbi/cointelpro tactics.

Do you feel CointelPro was involved in the deaths of Raymond Lee Washington and his successor Stanley Tookie Williams in the "Crips History"?

Do you feel CointelPro was involved in the deaths of Tupac and Biggie ? Wheter it be hiring nation of islam hitmen, gangmembers, or the the lapd?

Please keep comments relevant to cointelpro tactics

please define "coIntelPro"

[mystic one]

cointelpro according to my definition is: counter intelligence program which was designed during the civil rights movement to deter black militants and conscious speakers from spreading there soveriegn mentality throughout the community. there stated purpose was to "neutrilize" the spread of the civil rights thought.

this is according to my understanding of history from research and maybe your history is more precise or you have a much earlier definition..

If you disagree, you are more than free to post your opinions, conjectures , and so forth.

This is an open forum, right ?

[mystic one]

comments moorish, kgod??

[mystic one]

do the goverments create gangs? someone posed a question about this awhile back.

this is a good observation. in one essence yes, and in one essence no.. the gangs create themselves in the community depending up variables that plant the seeds. this can be anything from poverty, wanting a sense of identity, or protection from other neighborhoods , wanting to date the girls, et cetra et cetra. or whatever machoism young youths idealize unti there thoughts mature. these variables mixed with goverment agences such as the fbi and local police also give the gangs an identity by profiling them, arrests, newspaper articles, tv reports. and by giving them attention, it solidifies the gangs image. this in addition to former members, or members seeking favors from police sharing gang intelligence to get lighter terms, then the police and fbi just build up a huge dossier of a particular group in the community, and now you have a bonafide gang. In some ways, the cops hate gangs insofar that then neighborhood hates them when they threaten there families, but you also have to keep in mind its a wonderful divide and conquer tactic, when you want a race to kill each other and racism abounds. just depends upon your perspective.

i know in the 60s and 70s there were some people, that didnt like to fight with there fists, so they started packing guns whether they knew how to fight or couldnt fight. it wasnt until the later 80s, when the cia via south america started importing crack cocaine into los angeles, nyc, and other major metropoltian cities , that the gangs were really at each others throat..


You have to keep in mind when you hear of various Nations, like the bloods , crips. folk, people. these gangs arent as organized as some people think, alot of times they just use the moniker, some of them dont even have affiliations or connections to the original gangs which spawned them. so you cant really put an accurate label, as you must ascertain what type of group they really are? Now in Chicago, the folk and people were alot more organized than there west coast counterparts, they actually did have huge meetings, sitdowns, and try to keep there knowledge more thorough and in tact whether it be in the prison system or on the streets. Some of the early members were very organized, but this doesnt account for everyone else. Over time as these groups are profiled, the police and judicial system help shape there image through the media. Alluding to my earlier comment, when a certain black individual gains to much power, is it only natural that the government will respond to this and try to cause division and thus by giving it attention you now have a bonafide gang, whether there just petty crooks or organized like the mafia. If one of them challenges the status quo to much, they will see to it that the judical system grabs a hold of them or that help cause so much division, that they will start killing each other naturally. The law of the jungle perhaps?

So to correspond with my earlier comments. if they did this during the civil rights movement, isnt only natural to keep monitoring the black community and there various gangs and other cultural icons if they be rappers?

Rappers have the most attention these days in the black community more than black politicians, so arent they useful puppets? Once Biggie or Pac gain too much of a following, they will have the same demise as the gangs did , and there earlier precessors the civil rights speakers. ie malcolm, martin luther, the black panthers, the us organization.

Just trying to connect the dots.

Comments KGod , Moorish?

[Admin]

I see where you coming from on this topic Mystic. Reminds me of a stand-up session with Chris Rock I recently caught where he was talking about this same subject. He's was talking about how the world's most powerful military force to ever walk the face of earth, who found Sadaam in a hole in Iraq, can't find the killers of two black rappers. Or how anytime someone gets really famous and starts talking about peace, love, non-violence and harmony like MLK, Ghandi and John Lennon, they get shot in the head. Let's face it, we human beings are savage creatures but even in the most savage of jungles there is justice.

[idknow]

Originally Posted by Admin

[...]

Let's face it, we human beings are savage creatures but even in the most savage
of jungles there is justice.

Admin, respectfully, I object to such a broad paint-stroke; it's too general and
there are only two sides in this age, us and them, Those who walk in the light
and those who don't.

[Admin]

Sure, that is true ID, but even those that walk in the light must learn to, as the Masons say, "Hold their passions within due bounds"

Those who walk in the light
and those who don't.

[charlesa6]

Originally Posted by Admin

Sure, that is true ID, but even those that walk in the light must learn to, as the Masons say, "Hold their passions within due bounds"

You right, admin. "You no the Mask", that is salutation.

[idknow]

Originally Posted by Admin

Sure, that is true ID, but even those that walk in the light must learn to, as the Masons say, "Hold their passions within due bounds"

as was said here a few days ago, we must learn to re-incorporate who we are on the earth and in the spirit.

That includes being concerned for what people are concerned for, what we are concerned for and what our father in heaven is concerned about.

God First, the body of anointing, family, the House of Israel, goyim, then everyone else;

we have a responsibility to America to pray for everyone and if that means building a fence to stop an invasion, so be it.

woould or can anyone else suggest a better plan concerning porous borders?