Well, Satori... sentence me to death already!

[Skeptic]

(To continue from the "Never go to court alone") thread.

Satori:

To make a long story short, you claimed that if you file a "commercial lien" against me you can accuse me of "anything from libel to treason" and get a "default 'guilty' verdict" against me, which, in the case of treason, that carries the death penalty.

I asked you if you REALLY think you can condemn someone to death without a trial, just by filing some paperwork; in effect you said that you could, and that that is one of the powers you've got for being a free sovereign private citizen (unlike us poor schmucks who are just "persons", or something.)

Well, if I send you my "meat address", will you sentence me to death?

Don't worry about me sending you somebody else's address: even if I DID, and you mistakenly got some poor schumck I dislike sentenced to death, it would be HUGE news... and you could just step in and use the same magical powers to file paperwork that would set him free in the last moment. You'd prove to EVERYBODY how powerful the sovereign private citizens are, and how the government misled them by calling them "persons" for years. I cannot think of any better PR for Sui Juris or the sovereign movement than than, can you?

Alternatively, how about using your powers to sentence to death some @$$hole we all agree has it coming? Guess what: I think OJ did it. Isn't it about time he served some time for his crime? Why not use your amazing powers to convict him of murder? It's pretty easy, I'd bet, to find HIS "meat address" on the internet.

So, go ahead. Sentence me to death--or OJ, or anybody you think deserves it--or just sentence some random guy to death and repreive him in the last minute.

Go ahead, prove your claims. Sentence me to death. If you agree, I'll PM you my address.

[hardtoremember]

Originally Posted by Skeptic

(To continue from the "Never go to court alone") thread.

Satori:

To make a long story short, you claimed that if you file a "commercial lien" against me you can accuse me of "anything from libel to treason" and get a "default 'guilty' verdict" against me, which, in the case of treason, that carries the death penalty.

I asked you if you REALLY think you can condemn someone to death without a trial, just by filing some paperwork; in effect you said that you could, and that that is one of the powers you've got for being a free sovereign private citizen (unlike us poor schmucks who are just "persons", or something.)

Well, if I send you my "meat address", will you sentence me to death?

Don't worry about me sending you somebody else's address: even if I DID, and you mistakenly got some poor schumck I dislike sentenced to death, it would be HUGE news... and you could just step in and use the same magical powers to file paperwork that would set him free in the last moment. You'd prove to EVERYBODY how powerful the sovereign private citizens are, and how the government misled them by calling them "persons" for years. I cannot think of any better PR for Sui Juris or the sovereign movement than than, can you?

Alternatively, how about using your powers to sentence to death some @$$hole we all agree has it coming? Guess what: I think OJ did it. Isn't it about time he served some time for his crime? Why not use your amazing powers to convict him of murder? It's pretty easy, I'd bet, to find HIS "meat address" on the internet.

So, go ahead. Sentence me to death--or OJ, or anybody you think deserves it--or just sentence some random guy to death and repreive him in the last minute.

Go ahead, prove your claims. Sentence me to death. If you agree, I'll PM you my address.

Before you get sentenced to death... will you and your thug friends who DO sentence people to death... answer my few questions I posted to you?

[Skeptic]

Hey, buddy, I ASKED FIRST.

Let's have Satori prove his amazing free sovereign private citizen legal powers... then we can talk about other things.

(Besides, once Satori gets me, I'll be dead and gone so I won't care...)

[hardtoremember]

Originally Posted by Skeptic

Hey, buddy, I ASKED FIRST.

Let's have Satori prove his amazing free sovereign private citizen legal powers... then we can talk about other things.

(Besides, once Satori gets me, I'll be dead and gone so I won't care...)

Setori made his comments (Today, 12:30 AM)

Skeptic asked to be sentenced to death (Today, 09:51 AM )

I asked my questions on (03-31-2006, 05:07 PM)

Lets have you answer the questions asked of you first instead of the usual thug delay tactics.

HTR

[Skeptic]

I think it's Satori who'se using delaying tactics here...

...I mean, the guy said, TWICE, that he could just file some paperwork ("commercial lien", I think he called it) that will get him a "default 'guilty' verdict" against anybody he wants for any crime he wants "from libel to treason", and that once he does that, the local courts will just have to sentence that person for "treason" (if he so chooses), which carries the death penalty.

Well, Satori, it's put-up-or-shut-up time....

I'll PM you my address, sentence me to death... or, if you are afraid of some trick, let's agree about, oh, sentencing OJ for murder, which he surely deserves... you know, just to show it works.

C'mon! Let's go!

[hardtoremember]

Originally Posted by Skeptic

I think it's Satori who'se using delaying tactics here...

...I mean, the guy said, TWICE, that he could just file some paperwork ("commercial lien", I think he called it) that will get him a "default 'guilty' verdict" against anybody he wants for any crime he wants "from libel to treason", and that once he does that, the local courts will just have to sentence that person for "treason" (if he so chooses), which carries the death penalty.

Well, Satori, it's put-up-or-shut-up time....

I'll PM you my address, sentence me to death... or, if you are afraid of some trick, let's agree about, oh, sentencing OJ for murder, which he surely deserves... you know, just to show it works.

C'mon! Let's go!

If your unable to answer my questions just say so, that will clear up what you and your thug friends called judges, lawyers, and the like are really about when it comes to the fraud you represent and support.


ummm C'mon? ummm Let's go?

HTR

[hardtoremember]

If this bothers you that I am buzzing around your head hounding you to answer questions I know you cannot answer... let me know. If this bothers you that I come into your conversations with others and interupt you with rude comments or to distract you from a conversation you are having with others... let me know

If you REQUEST that I dont waste your time with this... I will be happy to oblige.... if the same is returned in any and all of my future posts.

HTR

[Livefire]

Skeptic,

Besides being an idiot, your knowledge of the commercial lien process is simply underwhelming! You would have to commit a common law or contractual tort against Satori in order for him to initiate the process, ergo, he cant go after OJ! Secondly, treason isnt a tort against an individual, the power to deal with that crime is given to the federal goverment.

Libel is something that can be dealt with using said process should Satori decide that he indeed, has sufficient grounds to pursue this. You would be served the initial affidavit of fact stating point by point your transgressions and given 20-30 days to rebut. Should you respond to his alllegations point for point, Satori would be forced to drop the matter OR approach the sheriff and charge him to act in his/her common law capacity and convene a common law jury to decide the matter. Otherwise if you fail to respond, a notice of default/ opportunity to cure would be served upon you and you might be given 10 days to rectify the matter. Further lack of response would result in a criminal complaint with a list of damages and monetary amounts as given in Title 18 being appended to the paperwork and filed with the state AG's office (They DO have the option of initiating a grand jury investigation). At this point the lien is perfected and the lienor would either file a UCC-1 against any assets/property you might own or if you happen to be a public official, it is advisable that he first take his perfected lien (admin judgment) to the US Court of Claims for judicial review THEN file the UCC-1. That avoids any statutory problems for liening state officials without a judgment from a court! After all that, the lien is a marketable security and it can be sold as a receivable to a debt collector who will make yer life miserable OR he can try to push for an involuntary BK.

Skeptic, I would suggest that you look at the commercial lien doc in the download section of the site, it outlines the process quite well. The only question I have concerning all of this is one of jurisdiction, this little "test" you suggest is taking place in cyberspace. The question of which "meat address" would be deemed to have jurisdiction needs to be answered, since in the process, all these docs are not only served upon you, they are filed with the county recorder to create a record to fulfill common law requirements. This process isnt lawless, the same principles are used by debt collectors of all kinds. This process is also a two edged sword, perjury on the part of the affiant exposes him/her to the same penalties that they are trying to impose on the transgressor. So its not something you initiate lightly, especially against the likes of a mentally deficient Quatloosian tard. It's far easier for him to take the advice you give in your signature line......ignore me!

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by Bouvier's 1856 Law Dictionary

CAPUT LUPINUM, Eng. law. Having the head of a wolf. An outlawed felon was said to have the head of a wolf, and might have been killed by any one legally. Now, such killing would be murder. 1. Hale, Pl. C. 497. The rules of the common law on this subject are rauch more severe in their consequences, than the doctrine of the civil law relating to civil death. See 1 Toull. Droit Civil, n. 280, and pp. 254-5, note 3.

Originally Posted by Bouvier's 1856 Law Dictionary

CIVIL DEATH, persons. The change of the state (q. v.) of a person who is declared civilly dead by judgment of a competent tribunal. In such case, the person against whom such sentence is pronounced is considered dead. 2 John. R. 218. See Gilb. Uses, 150; 2 Bulst. 188; Co. tit. 132; Jenk. Cent. 250; 1 Keble, 398; Prest. on Convey. 140. Vide Death, civil.

Originally Posted by Bouvier's 1856 Law Dictionary

OUTLAWRY, Engl. law. The act of being put out of the protection of the law by process regularly sued out against a person who is in contempt in refusing to become amenable to the court having jurisdiction. The proceedings themselves are also called the outlawry.

2. Outlawry may take place in criminal or in civil cases. 3 Bl. Com. 283; Co. Litt. 128; 4 Bouv. Inst. n. 4196.

3. In the United States, outlawry in civil cases is unknown, and if there are any cases of outlawry in criminal cases they are very rare. Dane's Ab. eh. 193, a, 34. Vide Bac. Ab. Abatement, B; Id. h. t.; Gilb. Hist. C. P. 196, 197; 2 Virg. Cas. 244; 2 Dal. 92.

A few months back a moderator here posted a very interesting news article about four intrepid patriots placing a judge under arrest and marching her to the Denver sheriff who took her into custody. Well, that turned out to be a hoax.

Another interesting concept is found in New York; The Upper Ten and the Lower Million - by George Lippard in the 1840s. The Court of Ten Million Dollars. That was almost a bizillion dollars then and the authority to execute the death sentence resided in the ability to pay restitution for error. This is also the basis of making claim through quiet title supplemented by the Torrens System of law utilized in the US. The judges wearing black robes around here are bonded by the State of Colorado Corporation. That is to say all errors are backed by the tax dollars of the resident US citizens staying here. So if a judge flubs up real bad and it does not get caught on appeal, the restitution does not come out of the judge's pocket; albeit that attorney may be back in the private sector* next term.




Regards,

David Merrill.

* It is all the same private sector, it is just some attorneys get to wear black robes and pretend to be judges. And especially considering FRNs are mere promises to pay instead of payment, Satori and his court may very well be in more authority, from an idealistic perspective anyway, to execute the death sentence than any body corporate (as opposed to a body politic).

[Satori]

Originally Posted by Skeptic

I think it's Satori who'se using delaying tactics here...

By not answering the questions I put to you a week ago?

Incidentally, I made a post on here about an hour ago which I'm not seeing now. I'm not sure why.

...I mean, the guy said, TWICE, that he could just file some paperwork ("commercial lien", I think he called it) that will get him a "default 'guilty' verdict" against anybody he wants for any crime he wants "from libel to treason", and that once he does that, the local courts will just have to sentence that person for "treason" (if he so chooses), which carries the death penalty.

{Emphasis mine.}

Not quite what I'd written.

Well, Satori, it's put-up-or-shut-up time....

Feel free.

Originally Posted by Satori

If you're this interested in the process, I encourage you to look up the papers for some successful commercial liens. They are made public, as part of the process. Many are filed at a county recorder's office. They might not only show you evidence of this stuff working, but also that there's more going on in the law than conventional belief allows for. If or when you encounter enough information demonstrating that this stuff works, you'd make an effective advocate of it.

Originally Posted by Skeptic

I'll PM you my address, sentence me to death... or, if you are afraid of some trick, let's agree about, oh, sentencing OJ for murder, which he surely deserves... you know, just to show it works.

As the do***entation I've already linked you to in the Downloads section explains, and as I and others here have pointed out, the OJ thing wouldn't work.

As for yourself, I've told you I would need proof of your identity in order to proceed. You've disregarded that and told me that you're just willing to provide "your" address to me in a Private Message. A claim is not proof. One would hardly send someone in for a tonsilectomy or a cir***cision without being pretty certain of the identity of the person involved, and being sure it was appropriate for them.

C'mon! Let's go!

Fair enough. I'm still waiting for proof of identity and address on your part.


- Satori