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Old 09-16-2008, 08:43 PM
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From the Black Codes on wikipedia...

I found this very interesting:

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Codes_in_the_USA

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"Negroes must make annual contracts for their labor in writing; if they should run away from their tasks, they forfeited their wages for the year. Whenever it was required of them they must present licenses (in a town from the mayor; elsewhere from a member of the board of police of the beat) citing their places of residence and authorizing them to work. Fugitives from labor were to be arrested and carried back to their employers. Five dollars a head and mileage would be allowed such negro catchers. It was made a misdemeanor, punishable with fine or imprisonment, to persuade a freedman to leave his employer, or to feed the runaway. Minors were to be apprenticed, if males until they were twenty-one, if females until eighteen years of age. Such corporal punishment as a father would administer to a child might be inflicted upon apprentices by their masters. Vagrants were to be fined heavily, and if they could not pay the sum, they were to be hired out to service until the claim was satisfied. Negroes might not carry knives or firearms unless they were licensed so to do. It was an offence, to be punished by a fine of $50 and imprisonment for thirty days, to give or sell intoxicating liquors to a negro. When negroes could not pay the fines and costs after legal proceedings, they were to be hired at public outcry by the sheriff to the lowest bidder...."

Don't you just love how history repeats itself?
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Old 09-16-2008, 09:25 PM
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And the word 'negro' had a broader meaning that some felt well to keep secret lest even some of the fairer skinned sheeple realize it might refer to them.
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Old 09-16-2008, 10:25 PM
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What or who sent you to the slave codes?


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I found this very interesting:

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Codes_in_the_USA Quote:
"Negroes must make annual contracts for their labor in writing; if they should run away from their tasks, they forfeited their wages for the year. Whenever it was required of them they must present licenses (in a town from the mayor; elsewhere from a member of the board of police of the beat) citing their places of residence and authorizing them to work. Fugitives from labor were to be arrested and carried back to their employers. Five dollars a head and mileage would be allowed such negro catchers. It was made a misdemeanor, punishable with fine or imprisonment, to persuade a freedman to leave his employer, or to feed the runaway. Minors were to be apprenticed, if males until they were twenty-one, if females until eighteen years of age. Such corporal punishment as a father would administer to a child might be inflicted upon apprentices by their masters. Vagrants were to be fined heavily, and if they could not pay the sum, they were to be hired out to service until the claim was satisfied. Negroes might not carry knives or firearms unless they were licensed so to do. It was an offence, to be punished by a fine of $50 and imprisonment for thirty days, to give or sell intoxicating liquors to a negro. When negroes could not pay the fines and costs after legal proceedings, they were to be hired at public outcry by the sheriff to the lowest bidder...."





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Old 09-17-2008, 04:52 AM
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I came across this while researching. I just found it interesting how regulated the individuals were during that time.

There was a lot going on in this country in regards to de jure and de facto racism, segregation, and eugenics that we are still grappling with and feeling the effects of today.

Slavery, in my opinion, is THE central issue of this country. It is what has brought you your Roman Civil Law, private law 14th Amendment citizenship.

I find it interesting the more research I conduct on the era, the more people say, "You need to let it go." You are living the legacy and effects of slavery today!!

One should check out the Slave Codes as well. Most interesting....

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Old 09-17-2008, 07:54 PM
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I believe the government was set up like the Law of the Scriptures. There is a government for the pagans and one for the children of God. The thing is just about everyone was unwittingly tricked into the pagan one and just now is noticing the absence of both forms operating in balance. So now the pendulum swings back.

It is interesting reaction by the slave states after the war and emancipation proclamation but before the 13th and 14th amendments. This is part of the Mississippi Black Codes of 1865.

An Act to Amend the Vagrant Laws of the State

Section 1. All rogues and vagabonds, idle and dissipated persons, beggars, jugglers, or persons practicing unlawful games or plays, runaways, common drunkards, common night-walkers, pilferers, lewd, wanton, or lascivious persons, in speech or behavior, common railers and brawlers, persons who neglect their calling or employment, misspend what they earn, or do not provide for the support of themselves or their families, or dependents, and all other idle and disorderly persons, including all who neglect all lawful business, habitually misspend their time by frequenting houses of ill-fame, gaming-houses, or tippling shops, shall be deemed and considered vagrants, under the provisions of this act, and upon conviction thereof shall be fined not exceeding one hundred dollars, with all accruing costs, and be imprisoned, at the discretion of the court, not exceeding ten days.


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I came across this while researching. I just found it interesting how regulated the individuals were during that time.

There was a lot going on in this country in regards to de jure and de facto racism, segregation, and eugenics that we are still grappling with and feeling the effects of today.

Slavery, in my opinion, is THE central issue of this country. It is what has brought you your Roman Civil Law, private law 14th Amendment citizenship.

I find it interesting the more research I conduct on the era, the more people say, "You need to let it go." You are living the legacy and effects of slavery today!!

One should check out the Slave Codes as well. Most interesting....

Regards,
netwrkranger
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[Pollard v. Hagan, 44 U.S. 212 (1845)]

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Old 09-18-2008, 05:11 AM
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I suspect that vagrant laws had more to do with economics and designs of the wealthy and well-connected, but I would have to do some more research on that to justify that position.
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Old 09-18-2008, 08:58 AM
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Slavery, in my opinion, is THE central issue of this country. It is what has brought you your Roman Civil Law, private law 14th Amendment citizenship.
I agree completely.

In some sense, it also plays in very tightly w/ the whole "public money versus private credit" saga, that likewise is extremely central to the whole history of this country.

Another good resource on "slave laws" is Chap 2 of Gustavus Myer's "The Supreme Court of the United States":

http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/789740...upreme_02.html
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Old 09-18-2008, 09:02 AM
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Gustavus Myers is good stuff!!

Everyone should read his material.

His books were what I was going to use to research on vagrancy laws =D.
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Old 09-24-2008, 05:43 PM
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Also slavery continued by way of the prison system as well.

The NeoSlavery vids are hawt. Thanks, rottweiler.

I'll make sure to cop the book.

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