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[rottweiler]

It never ceases to amaze me how someone can ask a question that I have posted the answer to at least 20 times. Are you some kind of half-wit incapable of comprehending plain English?

What does the Bill of Rights have to do with civil law Lawdog? Since when is common law and civil law the same?

The code citation you supplied is civil law. Notary publics are civil law notaries.

The Vatican does not appoint the civil law Notary Publics in the US. It is their beast.

You post inferior court decisions of people who claim they are not subject to the civil law but you never post the whole story. If you posted all the contents of the case file and everything that was said and done then those cases might constitute proving your claims.

"The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it."
-- John Jay, Castilian Days II, 1872

"A case in admiralty does not in fact arise under the Constitution or laws of the United States. These cases are as old as navigation itself, and the law admiralty and maritime, as it existed for ages, is applied by our courts to the cases as they arise."
American Insurance Company v. Canter, 26 U.S. 1 Pet. 511 511 (1828)

"The idea prevails with some indeed, it found expression in arguments at the bar that we have in this country substantially or practically two national governments; one to be maintained under the Constitution, with all its restrictions; the other to be maintained by Congress outside and independently of that instrument, by exercising such powers as other nations of the earth are accustomed to exercise."
"I take leave to say that if the principles thus announced should ever receive the sanction of a majority of this court, a radical and mischievous change in our system of government will be the result. We will, in that event, pass from the era of constitutional liberty guarded and protected by a written constitution into an era of legislative absolutism."
"It will be an evil day for American liberty if the theory of a government outside of the supreme law of the land finds lodgment in our constitutional jurisprudence. No higher duty rests upon this court than to exert its full authority to prevent all violation of the principles of the constitution." -- Downes vs Bidwell, 182 U.S. 244 (1901)


"It is only with the extent of powers possessed by the district courts, acting as instance courts of admiralty, we are dealing. The Act of 1789 gives the entire constitutional power to determine "all civil causes of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction," leaving the courts to ascertain its limits, as cases may arise." -- Waring ET AL,. v. Clarke, Howard 5 12 L. ed. 1847


"As these words are used in the first section of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Federal Constitution, providing for the citizenship of all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, the purpose would appear to have been to exclude by the fewest words (besides children of members of the Indian tribes, standing in a peculiar relation to the National Government, unknown to the common Law), the two classes of cases, children born of *ALIEN ENEMIES(emphasis mine), in hostile occupation, and children of diplomatic representatives of a foreign state, both of which, by the law of England and by our own law, from the time of the first settlement of the English colonies in America, had been recognized exceptions to the fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the country." - United States v Wong Kim Ark, 169 US 649, 682, 42 L Ed 890, 902, 18 S Ct 456. Ballentine's Law Dictionary


"Next to revenue (taxes) itself, the late extensions of the jurisdiction of the admiralty are our greatest grievance. The American Courts of Admiralty seem to be forming by degrees into a system that is to overturn our Constitution and to deprive us of our best inheritance, the laws of the land. It would be thought in England a dangerous innovation if the trial, of any matter on land was given to the admiralty." -- Jackson v. Magnolia, 20 How. 296 315, 342 (U.S. 1852)

Originally Posted by Lawdog

What does the history of how notaries public were appointed in Europe have to do with America?

We are required to have a secular government under the Constitution. Allowing the Vatican (or any other religious body) to control the appointment of notaries public would be a violation of the First Amendment.

The laws of the states declare who appoints notaries, and by what means. For example:

Ga. Code 45-17-1.1 "The power to appoint notaries public is vested in the clerks of the superior courts and may be exercised by them at any time."

[mrg]

Lawdog is just here to watch the tail wag the dog.

Its an energy waster.

[Lawdog]

Originally Posted by rottweiler

What they did is dropped the k from publick. Public means private.

Public means private. Gotcha. So, by that line of reasoning, light means dark, hot means cold, good means evil.

You claim that a word means the very opposite word (antonym), and then call ME a half wit incapable of understanding plain English?

Sure. Whatever you say.

[rottweiler]

State Papers and Publick Documents of the United
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&...U19cFY#PPR1,M1

PUBLICAN

, civil law. A farmer of the public revenue; one who held a lease of some property from the public treasury. Dig. 39, 4, 1, 1; Id. 39, 4, 12, 3; Id. 39, 4, 13.
http://www.legallawterms.com/legal-d...-PUBLICAN.html

[rottweiler]

Notary public crap is private foreign international law.

Do the math.

Hague Conference on Private International Law
http://www.hcch.net/index_en.php

"Apostille is also a French word which means a certification. It is commonly used in English to refer to the legalization of a document for international use under the terms of the 1961 Hague Convention Abolishing the Requirement of Legalization for Foreign Public Documents. Documents which have been notarized by a notary public, and certain other documents, and then certified with a conformant apostille are accepted for legal use in all the nations that have signed the Hague Convention."

The notary at civil law is a highly trained public official who drafts private agreements into documentary language and then functions as an archivist of the document he or she creates. The properly signed contract executed before a notary public at civil law is an "authentic act," deemed to be proof of its contents.
http://www.notarialarchives.org/civil.htm

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by Lawdog

We are required to have a secular government under the Constitution. Allowing the Vatican (or any other religious body) to control the appointment of notaries public would be a violation of the First Amendment.

And there is the religious requirement for government-issued ID right there. It is in the same breath that we form the general public trust for the "new forms" of FDR. Even when an old form like the convention longstanding to follow your name with your family's being adopted for the purposes of Social Security qualifies as a new form.

“Recognized Government bonds are as safe as Government currency. They have the same credit back of them. And, therefore, if we can persuade people all through the country, when their salary checks come in, to deposit them in new accounts, which will be held in trust and kept in one of the new forms I have mentioned, we shall have made progress.” The Public Papers and Addresses of Franklin D. Roosevelt; 1933 The Year of Crisis; Random House 1938; page 19. Excerpt from the Address before the Governors’ Conference at the White House. March 6, 1933.

And we find what Lawdog is talking about a secular religion.

Oath to support constitution. The senators and representativesbefore mentioned, and the members of the several legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound, by oath or affirmation, to support this constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

- A religion of public trust, where the priesthood is like Lawdog, bottlefeeding us the law like the Hebrew priests fed forgiveness through animal sacrifice. Ponder my signature for a moment. According to law librarian Shoonra, the Pope nullified the Magna Charta. Let alone that the Unidroit author of the UCC resides in that extraterritorial state - The Vatican.


Regards,

David Merrill.

[Jerry Pitts]

Originally Posted by rottweiler

The properly signed contract executed before a notary public at civil law is an "authentic act," deemed to be proof of its contents.
http://www.notarialarchives.org/civil.htm

Rottweiler:

In the above, you specifically mention the term "contract". Does the same apply to other documents that are properly signed before a notary public at civil law? The reason I ask, is it is my understanding that the notary public is also an extension of the office of the SOS, which would be akin to or similar to an execution before the SOS him/her self. Noted, it does not give authenticity to the contents of the document, but only to the signatures on the document; or am I missing a point or two in that regard?

Jerry

[Lawdog]

Originally Posted by rottweiler

The notary at civil law is a highly trained public official who drafts private agreements into documentary language and then functions as an archivist of the document he or she creates. The properly signed contract executed before a notary public at civil law is an "authentic act," deemed to be proof of its contents.
http://www.notarialarchives.org/civil.htm

Louisiana is the only state in this country with a civil law tradition, so there goes 99% of your argument right there.

And as far as "highly trained"? Ha...don't make me laugh. Here are the qualifications for being a notary in Georgia, from Code 45-17-2:

Qualifications of individual applying for appointment - exception.
(a) Any individual applying for appointment to be a notary public shall:
(1) Be at least 18 years old;
(2) Be a United States citizen or be a legal resident of the United States;
(3) Be a legal resident of the county from which such individual is appointed;
(4) Have, and provide at the time of the application, the applicant's operating telephone number; and
(5) Be able to read and write the English language.
(b) The qualification of paragraph (3) of subsection (a) of this Code section shall not apply to any nonresident individual applying for appointment as a notary public under the provisions of Code Section 45-17-7.

The exception in subpart (b) allows someone who lives in a state that borders Georgia, but who works in Georgia, to be commissioned as a notary in the county where they work.

There is no requirement that you even have to be a high school graduate.

[rottweiler]

The notary public is for private foreign law. The county notary is for common law.

Originally Posted by Jerry Pitts

Rottweiler:

In the above, you specifically mention the term "contract". Does the same apply to other documents that are properly signed before a notary public at civil law? The reason I ask, is it is my understanding that the notary public is also an extension of the office of the SOS, which would be akin to or similar to an execution before the SOS him/her self. Noted, it does not give authenticity to the contents of the document, but only to the signatures on the document; or am I missing a point or two in that regard?

Jerry

[Jerry Pitts]

Originally Posted by rottweiler

The notary public is for private foreign law. The county notary is for common law.

OK. Then what would happen if one were to place the same document (identical in form with exception of notary style) into the two differing venues?

Also, how does one go about identifying a 'county notary'?

Jerry