I was detained for claming i was one of the people and claiming common law...

[ezrhythm]

It is VERY probable you will lose. If you are up to it, you have much to learn that will take quite a while of studying and reconditioning.

The courts are not as they appear to be. Your argument even though it sounds good will not be recognized because you are not being heard in a de jure common law court of The People.

Your claiming sovereignty but that includes the freedom to contract and along the course of your life and in this case you have contracted with de facto agancies hence waiving your right to argue sovereignty.

These agencies are registered as corporations on Dunn and Bradstreet and operate under Admiralty jurisdiction and the Uniform Commercial Code. They are not the de jure government America began with.

[sheisaceo]

Originally Posted by TXcarlosTX

when you say agency? you mean ??? City of San Antonio
Municipal Court - Magistrate Section to the address givn?


The paper the gave me says this.....

City of San Antonio
Municipal Court - Magistrate Section


CASE DISPOSITION ORDERS :

NAME : my name D.O.B: 7-28-83 On Feb 17 2008 you appeared before a Judge at the City of San Antonio Municipal Court; listed below are the Judges orders:


(boxchecked)
APPEARANCE COURT - You are hereby notified to appear in Court #1, City of San Antonio Municipal Court, on 3/17/08 between the hours of 8am & 1pm on the cases listed in the Appearance Court column on the back of this form. (back of form says PI, for public intoxication)

when i was told to leave they said you have to talk to that lady so she can sign you out. i didn't even know that was a judge, i thought she was just an office person. i did sign a paper to appear on this date. haha there sneaky!!!

What EZ said! If it hasn't been 72 hours, write out a refusal for cause and get it notarized and send it to the court.

San Antonio? I'm just north of there. Who is the cop?

[TXcarlosTX]

Originally Posted by sheisaceo

What EZ said! If it hasn't been 72 hours, write out a refusal for cause and get it notarized and send it to the court.

San Antonio? I'm just north of there. Who is the cop?

some jerk with a wannabe cops mustache. cant read his name or badge number on the detention center form... if i wanted to guess the badge number maybe 02116 or 0246


ok so i will do a refusal for cause. ive read alot of threads by searching refusal for cause on the steps. since you say you live north of san antonio. can you please send me on the right way. to doing it here in texas.

another thing is? can i still do a R4C if i signed the paper once i left the drunk tank place? i didnt even know that was a judge. they just said please sign out. and appear in court for a ticket (which is the PI ticket)

thanks

[sheisaceo]

Originally Posted by TXcarlosTX

thanks of info. this place where im going is where ive gone to pay for speeding tickets, where you plea guilty, not guilty or no contest, where you ask to do probation to get ticket off of records ect ect. so im assuming they want me to pay a fine for being PI. (and i wasnt!!) i wanted to just talk to the judge and say i wish to get the charges dropped because i told the officer i was a sovereign under the preamble of the constitution and he just put me in handcuffs and that the officer detained me without reason after stating my sovereignty violating my natural right to travel for 12hrs being put in a cell?? what do you think? i can ask for a trial if i want also there?

I know where it is. It's across from the Frank Wing building where I built several computers for him.

Therein lies the problem. You are asking for mercy in a situation where there is none. You have to assert your rights. Everything that you sign from this point on should have 'All Rights Reserved' under or alongside it. I don't know if you are contracted at this point even if you were arraigned but the presumption of innocence or guilt has not been established yet so therefore I believe that you are able to state that you do not consent to volunteer to contract and this is from my reading the book from Mary Croft. She had to go before a number of judges and this meant that a number of them were post-arrest then.

[TXcarlosTX]

ok thanks for info everyone.... im going to list the R4C steps ive gotten from reading threads and post. if i am missing something. please help me out. gracias mucho

*take me case disposition order to appear and in red marker write on it "Refusal for Cause" (caps or not?)


*make a color copy of it for my records

*go to post office and mail it certified signature conformation to the City of San Antonio Municipal Court -Magistrate Section. (im confused on some of this, before i put it in evelope i get the postman to date verify the letter?)


so thats what i kinda what i know what to do tomorrow. any help? thanks

[sheisaceo]

Originally Posted by TXcarlosTX

ok thanks for info everyone.... im going to list the R4C steps ive gotten from reading threads and post. if i am missing something. please help me out. gracias mucho

*take me case disposition order to appear and in red marker write on it "Refusal for Cause" (caps or not?)


*make a color copy of it for my records

*go to post office and mail it certified signature conformation to the City of San Antonio Municipal Court -Magistrate Section. (im confused on some of this, before i put it in evelope i get the postman to date verify the letter?)


so thats what i kinda what i know what to do tomorrow. any help? thanks

Do not forget to notarize! You could have the postman to date verify instead. I just made a good friendship with a notary here and from now on I will take everything to her so you might want to get to know someone that is a notary then, too. BTW, HEB grocery stores do this for $4.50 per signature in San Antonio. If you are close to the HEB at Olmos west of the Quarry or the HEB at 1604/281 or I even believe the HEB Central Market on Broadway, they always have a notary there at least until 2pm in the afternoon. Call and ask. Make a copy of everything after he or she notarizes it.

Caps make no difference in 'wet ink' just make sure it is red and diagonal across the ticket/citation.

BTW, I have had good luck with refusal for cause in the San Antonio/Comal area.

[TXcarlosTX]

Originally Posted by sheisaceo

Do not forget to notarize! You could have the postman to date verify instead. I just made a good friendship with a notary here and from now on I will take everything to her so you might want to get to know someone that is a notary then, too. BTW, HEB grocery stores do this for $4.50 per signature in San Antonio. If you are close to the HEB at Olmos west of the Quarry or the HEB at 1604/281 or I even believe the HEB Central Market on Broadway, they always have a notary there at least until 2pm in the afternoon. Call and ask. Make a copy of everything after he or she notarizes it.

Caps make no difference in 'wet ink' just make sure it is red and diagonal across the ticket/citation.

BTW, I have had good luck with refusal for cause in the San Antonio/Comal area.

are they notarizing my signature next to the words "refusal for cause" or should i also write below it " red ink original refusal for cause returned to San Antonio ect ect.." and get that notarizing?

[David Merrill]

Refusal for Cause is adaquate. Get it back to them and you best be able by one means or another, prove that you got it back to them. - process server, Registered Mail etc.

Your signing it with a legal name, even with a notary may work against you but I do not know that for sure. I have some ideals I apply with suitors, including an expensive evidence repository at the US courthouse. In an honest world you should be able to write Refusal for Cause and hand it back to them - and it is over.

One fellow had a traffic matter and he met me. We did the R4C on IRS stuff. But he caught on quickly and went into the first arraignment like you agreed to because it was too late (3 days had passed). They gave him that yellow notice of the next hearing and he wrote Refusal for Cause on it. Then he walked up to the bench saying:

Let the record show that this Presentment is Refused for Cause and returned to the Presenter.

He put it on the magistrate's bench and left.

I thought that pretty amazing. He kept no copy for himself and if he ever needed to prove the R4C he would have to rely on the municipal court's record and tape recorder. But then this suitor was a former Army Ranger too. Not very easily intimidated those guys.


Regards,

David Merrill.

[sheisaceo]

Originally Posted by David Merrill

Refusal for Cause is adaquate. Get it back to them and you best be able by one means or another, prove that you got it back to them. - process server, Registered Mail etc.

Your signing it with a legal name, even with a notary may work against you but I do not know that for sure. I have some ideals I apply with suitors, including an expensive evidence repository at the US courthouse. In an honest world you should be able to write Refusal for Cause and hand it back to them - and it is over.

One fellow had a traffic matter and he met me. We did the R4C on IRS stuff. But he caught on quickly and went into the first arraignment like you agreed to because it was too late (3 days had passed). They gave him that yellow notice of the next hearing and he wrote Refusal for Cause on it. Then he walked up to the bench saying:



He put it on the magistrate's bench and left.

I thought that pretty amazing. He kept no copy for himself and if he ever needed to prove the R4C he would have to rely on the municipal court's record and tape recorder. But then this suitor was a former Army Ranger too. Not very easily intimidated those guys.


Regards,

David Merrill.

Not for sure on the notary myself but if it is a matter of using something....anything....that gives them the edge to say there is a contract then I would think that just using the post office would have done that anyway.

All I know is that notary has worked for me because it is assigning a witness and one accepted by the State registered in. The presumption (ha!) for innocence is unresolved still at this time so that should be determined right up to the point of public acknowledgment which is in a courtroom setting.

What DM said. If the refusal for cause does not work, then you might want to still show up at court. They have 10 days to dispose so 10 days after you send it or 13 if you want to give them additional time, I would call to find out the status of the case and if it is still on the docket, then show up and tell them the above.

[TXcarlosTX]

that army ranger sounds gangster!!!