
02-17-2007, 08:07 PM
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Holiness is NADA "process!"
NADA Process (bold added for clarity, only)
Blessing to you in the perfect will of the WORD of GOD, “even your sanctification !“ [1Thes 4: 3]
And since the Truth of the WORD of GOD stats that “…without holiness no man shall see GOD,” and “ only the pure in heart shall see GOD” and most relevant …”salvation through sanctification. “ Then sanctification is really the will of GOD, in this lifetime, "NOW, being made free from sin we become servants of GOD, our fruit unto holiness and the end everlasting life.” That didn't say 'made free later,' nor did GOD say "made free TO sin." NOR did GOD say 'free IN sin!" But GOD, HIMSELF said "NOW, being made free FROM sin". . . Heb. 12: 14 ; Mt. 5: 8 ; 2Thes. 2: 13 & Rom. 6: 22]
Sanctification and justification are BOTH received by faith, as is any thing from the kingdom of GOD and NOT by works, but by faith! More than likely, you were taught, by someone (not yet sanctified by faith) that sanctification was done by a "process,” and this is because your UNsanctified teachers were "still in a process of "getting washed from all inbred sin, by themselves, and not by faith! All the while, the Blood of Christ WAS the cleansing AGENT, the sanctifying device!
When you understand that Christ’s blood WAS 2000 years ago, and that is when a true believer ”WAS washed,” and ”was sanctified and then ”justified,” than you will realize, in that the MOMENT, when you believed that ”Christ cleansed you FROM all sin by HIS own blood,[/i] you receive FULL sanctification, “in a twinkling of a eye your are changed” and NOT over a period of time, as a "process." Since GOD WAS the ONE to do the restoration, or the atonement by HIS sacrifice, unto Himself, and that makes HIM the ONLY Sanctifier…..2000 years ago and is “NADA a "process."
When "sanctified believers” teach sanctification via the WORD of GOD and belief in the Truth… They do not allow someone to stay in "unbelief" but lead them into righteousness and godliness of the finished work of Christ, and HIM alone.
Let us "study," and contemplate, and do not just read Heb. 10: 10 and 14. You should believe that Christ’s ONE offering HAS sanctified us. verse 10. And Christ, the ONE and ONLY ONE, who is the Sanctifier in what HE did and "we" are the "salvaged / saved / delivered… and there is NO process for a real "believer" in the WORDs of GOD, because "we" (believers) "are sanctified by the offering of Jesus Christ once and for all." And who-so-ever does not believe that Christ ‘s one offering WAS the "atonement,” and the "washing,” and the "sanctification," and than the “justification,” then "they are not yet "believers," and they are "trying to work out their "OWN" salvation with fear and trembling…" and not by faith of the finished WORDs of GOD!
Most “almost” believers think repentance from sin is feeling somewhat sorry for some small amount conviction / guilt what follows in the daily walk as a Christian."
This is just what the UNsanctified taught you to believe, (even though they "showed" their so-called proof to you via the WORD of GOD)
NO …. NO ….. it is by the faith!
",,,that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in Me." [Acts 26:18 b ]
Do you see the WORD’s of Christ "sanctified by faith that is in Me." If you see and "believe" just what Christ just said… than you will…. at that same moment (and not before) be "sanctified “…. unless you think that you will be "sanctified by the process of elimination," than "you" will not yet be a true "believer unto sanctification according to the WORD of GOD which states is "…sanctified by faith that is in Me." That is HIS Faith, that is in HIM, the WORD of GOD!
Second witness for the conclusion of NADA process is as follows: “And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith." [Acts 15:9 ] Yes , again GOD stated thru the writer, “purifying their hearts by faith,“ means just what it said it did! Purification or sanctification is done “BY FAITH.”
The so-called "process" of sanctification is attempted by the "carnal mind" slowly giving up it’s “self,” a "little here," and a "little more there," and hopefully in time "the self" attempts to get ALL the filth out. . . THAN "sanctification.” But the “self” is trying to work out “it’s OWN salvation,” but it is Christ that is the Sanctifier, and never the “self.“ This is the carnal self "Trying" to remove itself by itself.
But when a sanctified teacher teaches the Truth… that "And such were some of you, but you are washed(cleansed) (present tense) but you are sanctified (present tense) but you are justified (made innocent) in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit (of Holiness) of our God. [1Cor. 6:11] In the ONLY that Order stated by GOD!
The false “claim” that was taught by the not yet “un-sanctified”……is the lie that “sanctification is the lifelong work of the Holy Spirit, which conforms the believer into the image of Christ. “ WRONG!
Then they go around claiming the "same life long work, which is all the time, still NOT yet sanctified, by the 2000 year old blood of Christ…. “By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. For by one offering He/ the WORD has perfected forever them that are sanctified." [Again from Hebrews 10: 10 & 14]
Believers believe "…we are sanctified (present tense) through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all!”….. AND ….”For by one offering He/ the WORD has perfected forever them that are sanctified.” That’s is what HE DID and not what "we" have to do, by elimination / process to "gain" sanctification, making the WORD who "died on the cross my REDEMPTION and SANCTIFIER, and not a "life long "process" but "It is finished" of total RESTORATION, and NOT and “gonna be” but a “DONE deal,” because, GOD said HIMSELF, “it is Finished” [John 19: 31 ] by the one Offering of the sacrifice and the blood that was furnished, and finished, by GOD and not by you nor me nor anyone BUT CHRIST…SO BE it, it is done!
Again, NOW is NOW in the following…. "But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life." [Romans 6: 22 ]
NOW if you will understand that, “NOW, having been set free from sin" is sanctification, and then…we (believers) ”became servants of GOD and our fruit unto holiness," AND THAN the "end, everlasting life" You may want to believe unto ". . . salvation through sanctification . . " [1Thes. 2:13c ] Unless you do not want to agree with the WORDS of GOD, and follow the UNsanctified? That would be denying the ALMIGHITY WORDs of GOD!
IF some (who are still un-sanctified) would STOP trying to teach the sanctified how NOT to be sanctified, and listen to the WORD, and the Truth of "sanctification by the faith that is in ME" (Christ) AND if you would just Listen to the WORDs that "sanctified HIS believers, by HIS 2000 year old blood of Christ, the WORD, who is sanctified the believer the moment they believe, you could "be sanctified by FAITH,” Also!
But as "LONG" as any persist in NOT believing the WORDs of GOD, that ”sanctification is "by faith" than you will be "still UNsanctified UNbeliever!
And until you believe…. “by faith” that you were sanctified, cleansed and perfected you will NOT be “saved form the wrath of GOD that is reveled from heaven AGAINST ALL UNrighteousness and UNgodliness of man, who believe that unrighteousness is a truth.”…. [Rom. 1: 18, ORIGINAL Text! ]
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"Who so ever sins is of the d-evil. . .
Who so ever is born of the WORD, does not sin, because the WORD remains in them and they cannot sin because they are born of the WORD!" (1Jn. 1:8a & 9 )
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02-17-2007, 08:08 PM
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Until you BELIEVE that you were made a totally NEW creation, in Christ, you will “NOT yet” be a real NEW creation, in Christ, and you will NOT be a "believer" until you BELIEVE, that "OLD things HAVE passed away and ALL things HAVE BECOME new…. AND “ALL things are of GOD!” [2Cor. 5: 17-19 ] Are “ALL things of GOD” with you yet?
Until you finally believe, you will be an UN-believer!
And until you "believe unto righteousness" than you will be NOT righteous…. And your "confession as NOT yet a "believer will be that of a still sinner instead of a "saint who is "WASHED and SANCTIFIED and THAN justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit (of Holiness) of our God."[/b][/i]
”. . . And such were some of you: but you are washed, but you are sanctified, but you are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.”
NOW wash[B ]ed[/b]is PRESENT PERFECT TENSE, and sanctifiED is PAST TENSE, and than [i]”justified” is PAST TENSE, all being DONE by GOD, the ONLY CREATOR who COULD (past tense) totally "restore" us ALL back into HIS Creation!
ALL, saints were delivered by the "FAITH" that is in the WORD of GOD, and this is a “FINISHED” Creative situation by GOD HIMSELF, and a "completed” (Past Tense) or the FULL "atonement by the blood of Christ!
IF any would listen to the "sanctified" and STOP listening to the Un-sanctified you could be "sanctified by the faith that is in ME" (Christ) [Acts 15: 9 & 26: 18 ]
I am sanctified, and I am a righteous creation, because of “ the blood of Christ,” and I am praying fervently as a righteous new born, can pray that all receive the truth unto your sanctification by the "offering of the body of Christ," 2000 years AGO, in His name and BY HIS Pure nature, I pray this prayer for you, NOW! So Be It!
NOW please just do not try to convince a sanctified saint otherwise, because it is like telling me the BLOOD of JESUS was not powerful enough to CLEANS me from ALL unrighteousness and that is a truly a waste of GOD's time, so just “be sanctified BY FAITH”
Blessed are they who the WHOLLY WORD of GOD rules!
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"Who so ever sins is of the d-evil. . .
Who so ever is born of the WORD, does not sin, because the WORD remains in them and they cannot sin because they are born of the WORD!" (1Jn. 1:8a & 9 )
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02-17-2007, 08:15 PM
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Thanks for the sermon, wordpur.
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02-18-2007, 01:21 PM
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KJV1611SMatthew 4:17
Ah yes, the just shall live by faith... please consider looking at www.reclaimusa.com
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02-18-2007, 04:49 PM
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Sure!! Thanks for the link, Drew.
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02-18-2007, 08:49 PM
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Sanctification IS a Process
I don’t think a claim to higher ground is a good argument. Your scripture choices are excellent but your interpretation is not the same as mine. I could use the same scriptures to support that sanctification is a process. Think about your life for a minute. Why would God create the heavens and the earth if we could just believe in him and be instantly sanctified? Why would God go through the effort to do His “works” for us so we could come to this planet if it were so simple? I wonder why he put this carnal beast within me if he didn’t have a purpose in doing it. I too believe that sanctification comes through faith. My understanding of faith may be different than yours. Faith is an action word, it moves past belief. I’m not sure we are far apart on this sanctification topic, but here goes…
As a carnal man, I need to exercise faith in Jesus Christ by doing His will…as He did the Father’s will. We need to obey His commandments. As we do His will…follow Him, keep His commandments, and love Him, we are exercising our faith (exercising is another action verb). This exercising of our faith is in reality, doing works. Our works do not earn us sanctification…we, as carnal men and women, cannot earn sanctification. As we try to do His will, follow Him in word and deed, and keep His commandments, we receive grace in the form of gifts of faith and sanctification (purification). These things must be given by grace from God. If you think I am trying to double talk you, let me give an analogy. I can put forth effort and carve an object out of wood. I exercise faith and put forth effort and my “works” earned me the item. If I am given the grace (means gift) of faith and sanctification, I did what I was asked to do in all sincerity, which justified me, and Christ did the “carving” or paying. I, of myself, do not have the capacity to ever get faith or sanctification by myself…I need Christ to give it to me (Hebrews 10:10)…but it happens after I do all that I can in obeying Him, and following Him. The sanctification or purification that is given to me drives the animal or carnal nature from within me….a little at a time. Think about the dimensions that this life gives to us as we experience death of a loved one, having/raising children, illness, pain, struggle to overcome, etc. It is a process with meaning and reason. Sanctification is a process and adds dimension to us as well. The gift of sanctification comes through the Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit). I know for myself that we are sanctified through this “process” because I have experienced it and I know it to be true. The reception of grace through the Holy Ghost is the most marvelous of experiences in your life. It means that your life is acceptable to God.
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