Jesus was born September 11th, 3 BC.

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by Sharing Lights

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/genera...tml#post126789

Yep. Pretty profound. We become Christ-like and the world is populated with Chist(s).

[KingC]

I thought jesus was just a story of the SUN making its away thru the zodiac.

[David Merrill]

That too. It is such a wonderful holograph - God's creation. I think that a product of Paul designing a weapon against Rome after failing to bring Jesus back - on the Road to Damascus. Teaching the Seven Noachide Laws was a lot easier if they had a Messianic figure who perfectly fit the sun worship in Asia Minor.

Please do not get me wrong - I believe a multitude of confusion is resolved through monotheism. Patriarch Abraham's revolt against his idol-building father, in Jewish tradition is a truth that completely unites all religions with one Godhead. It is a very good thing and myself, I believe there is only one true God. So I certainly will continue with the Bible study praying in the name of Jesus with the Christians because these people have the faith that Jesus had - whether he really existed historically or not:

Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

Then again I also believe Paul paid out of the alms for the Ebionite widows of the missionaries in Asia Minor for his Roman citizenship. That get out of flogging card and Paul's lying about paying for it show me the God of Abraham can use anyone and anything for His glory.



Regards,

David Merrill.

[Sharing Lights]

Originally Posted by David Merrill

Yep. Pretty profound. We become Christ-like and the world is populated with Chist(s).

No wonder so many of us, sigh, " Oh, Jesus..."
when meet those "christs..."

[Sharing Lights]

Originally Posted by KingC

I thought jesus was just a story of the SUN making its away thru the zodiac.

The Astronomical phenomena is definitely there
and such has been reflected by all major,
World cultures, as the cycles repeat themselves.

However, Jesus of Nazareth was born in flesh too.

Was a truly decent man who reached amazing level of awareness and
union with the Harmony of the Universe.

Because he dared to speak plain TRUTH, the Authorities tried to or got rid of him.

I do not believe that his body or flesh of anyone can rise
anywhere, as laws of physics are intact but his spirit....
there got to be something beyond void and I believe in a rise of
spirit-consciousnesses, which is not
confined to the physical flesh only.

Strong and highly refined currents of energy may produce some,
physical glow too.

Disciples may have actually seen it.

[Shoonra]

There is a small problem about dating the birth of Jesus to Sept. 11, 3 BC.

Scripture says he was born in the reign of Herod (Matt. 2:1), the Herod who ordered the slaughter of the innocent and died shortly thereafter (Matt. 2:19). This must be Herod the Great, since his son and successor Antipas outlived Jesus by several years.

Josephus gives a fairly exact date for the death of Herod the Great, within a very few weeks of the lunar exclipse of March 12, 4 BC; approximately a year and half earlier than the date you hypothesize.

Moreover, since the slaughter of the innocent extended to boys up to two years of age (Matt. 2:16), this hints that the birth of Jesus might have been at least two years before Herod's death.

[KingC]

why is this forum so screwed up now?????????

[cigs645]

Originally Posted by rottweiler

This was the night of the first sighting of the new moon of Elul. The Magi in Babylon were recording this sunset sliver of the new moon on a clay tablet. The cuneiform tablet the Magi made at that hour 2000 years ago, along with thousands of others from Babylon, resides in the British Museum. It is possible that this clay tablet was inscribed by one of the famous Magi who later brought a strange set of gifts to Bethlehem. So the new moon seen by the Magi in Babylon at the very moment of Jesus being born is recorded on one of the tablets now in London. Cuneiform scholars have identified the date on this tablet as equivalent to September, 11, 3 BC.

http://petragrail.tripod.com/page5.html

I agree. The bible says when talking about HIS birth that : :"Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields," "keeping watch over their flock by night" (Luke 2:8). A common practice of shepherds was keeping their flocks in the field from April to October, but in the cold and rainy winter months they took their flocks back home and sheltered them. And meteorologists will tell you temperatures at night drop considerably in that area on December nights

The time period you mention also corresponds with one of the all important Fall Festivals. the Feast of tabernacles, I think

[rottweiler]

In the 19th century, critical scholars made a crucial decision to reject a total lunar eclipse in January 1 BC and to accept instead one in March 4 BC, as the chronological cornerstone for dating the death of Herod the Great, and thereby, the possible birth years for Jesus.

By so doing, the critics could argue Jesus had to born before 4 BC, contradicting Luke, who tied Jesus' 30th year to the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar, 27-28 AD.
http://petragrail.tripod.com/page5.html

Originally Posted by Shoonra

There is a small problem about dating the birth of Jesus to Sept. 11, 3 BC.

Scripture says he was born in the reign of Herod (Matt. 2:1), the Herod who ordered the slaughter of the innocent and died shortly thereafter (Matt. 2:19). This must be Herod the Great, since his son and successor Antipas outlived Jesus by several years.

Josephus gives a fairly exact date for the death of Herod the Great, within a very few weeks of the lunar exclipse of March 12, 4 BC; approximately a year and half earlier than the date you hypothesize.

Moreover, since the slaughter of the innocent extended to boys up to two years of age (Matt. 2:16), this hints that the birth of Jesus might have been at least two years before Herod's death.

[Shoonra]

The Jewish Antiquities by Josephus, book 17 chapt 7-9, make clear that Herod the Great died between the date of the lunar eclipse and the date of Passover, which was presumably a fairly short span, and that the eclipse took place within a few days of a public fast.

No such fast day occurs in December or January, but there is a fast the precedes the minor festival of Purim (which usually occurs in March), namely the Fast of Esther, on the 13th of Adar. A lunar eclipse would necessarily have been on the 15th of Jewish month, the night of the full moon. As Purim comes one month prior to Passover, this supports the 4 BC eclipse against the 1 BC eclipse.