Christ, Jesus, Historic Astrology

Sharing Lights · #1 09-14-2007, 02:30 AM

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Part I:

The Introduction:

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The subjects we are addressing hereto is a book by itself.

Confined to semantics of the Forum,

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I would proceed in a laconic mode simplified for
clarity, staying away from Psalms, drawing strength on
science and common sense.

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Let's keep in mind that
when it comes to Jesus Christ,
we repeat hearsay of many other hearsays.

That is indisputable.

None of us may claim personal knowledge.

I have confidence only in that which I can study and verify.

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I have problems with accepting beliefs as reality - particularly when such come
from strangers.

If we begin studying movements of constellations
at the alleged time of birth of Jesus Christ, we
would arrive to a precise location of stars-constellations in reference to our Earth.

That is science!

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When we attempt to do the same for Jesus -
the individual - we don't have anything scientific,
except conflicting accounts, passed on from generations and,
occasionally, mistranslated and even held back by the
religious mainstream for its, own gain.

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I would tell you this:
no True Esoteric school has ever regarded women
as slaves of men and second sort.

True - non-dogmatic spiritualism has, always,
viewed both genders as complimenting and enhancing each other,
being the two polarities of the same, divine essence.

We know how, the mainstream religion has presented women to us -
hence - tampering of the original teachings is self-evident.

I refuse to regard any religion as genuine when image of my mother
(or yours) is portrayed as beneath men.

Without our mothers, and their love,
we would not be born and sustained.

That is self-evident!

How the religious authorities have perverted that verity is beyond me?

I question moral qualities of all of such "teachers."

Let them teach themselves first how to expel toxins
from their brain and consciousness before guiding us to their, version of heaven.

Arbitrary and capricious views are not very scientific
to me - but bias.

As for other religious theories, I refuse to propagate
that which I nether know nor understand.

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I can only explain that which I inherently know and
comprehended well already without looking anywhere and still making sense.

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Otherwise, I can raise opinions, share beliefs and certain findings.

Nothing beyond that.

I, also feel a sense of deep responsibility not to mislead any one and
not abuse trust extended to me by those
who read my sharings.

Now to Jesus Christ.

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What do we know about Jesus?

Almost nothing unless hold the key to what was meant
in reference to his words and words referred to him.

Symbolism is on its face.

If were to take Scriptures and "the words" literally -
we would be lost arriving to absurd conclusions.

Believing absurd and making it a foundation of faith
is not a strong foundation
to begin with.

Not a good idea at all!

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When foundation is shaky -
what can we say about the summit?

God forbid!

We would never reach it, then!

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The ladder would give in under the weight of absurdness.

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Sharing Lights · #2 09-14-2007, 03:26 AM

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Part II:

So, let's start with the Historic Astronomy.

Historic Astronomy - what's that?

I just invented a term for convenience because I know that,
historically,
there is a certain pattern conveyed by major religions and they all
are based on certain patterns in Astronomy.

Therefore, I need to

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unite History with Astronomy.

I can operate those.

And I am about to attempt doing, just, that,
followed by some inherited knowledge I posses
and some learned via the Esoteric school.

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That combination can engage, virtually, any opposition.

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We know what major civilizations convey the same
legend of:

1. birth of Messiah,

2. not any birth - but virgin birth, (???)

3. a search to be murdered because of an alleged threat to a King,

4 being raised by another family,

5. miracles,

6. rebellion vs. the Establishment,

7. betrayal,

8. sacrifice,

9. death, and

10. resurrection.

There is much more but that is at its core.

All of the Civilizations tell us the same legend -
just names vary.

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India, Egypt, Babylon, Persia, Israel...

The list is far from being completed.

Actually, I see too much resemblance between
Egypt, Persia, and Israel and put them into one
Religion just tailored to its people and customs.

Again, there is more.

India appears to be a separate division, relatively speaking.

By laws of Trinity and Anthropology, I sense that a similar schools
had to be in the Orient - China or around there, in sum, covering
three, mayor cradles of civilization:
India, Mesopotamia, China.

Whatever you have been told about Jesus, all of these cultures
have been told about their, own Messiahs.

[size="5"]Exactly the same plot - only different names.[/SIZE]

We can say - there is a definite, Universal tradition!

That was a historic approach in nutshell.

All can study it in details as the same legend is
a historic fact indeed.

Ancient scripts are available in all those countries.

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Sharing Lights · #3 09-14-2007, 03:27 AM

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Now, to Astronomy/Astrology.

Scientifically, we can trace by years references and
Astrophysical mapping of the sky that certain,
Astronomical events
took place around the time reference of each appearance of each Messiah.

There is a precise correlation between events in Cosmos
and extraordinary individuals
being born and committing
sacrificial acts for the sake of Humanity -
leading by example.

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The message: "do what is right even if would be executed!

Follow Morals and Principles to the end!

Speak the Truth, live and die by it -
you would attain the highest level of human existence -
claimed immortality!

But not for the sake of immortality -
but for the sake of doing
what is Right!"

What else do we have?

We have the following:

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A. a knowledge the constellations and planets were formed in
a unique way and uniques individuals were claimed to be born
exactly at that time to the point that their
birth was predicted astrologically.

B. Astrologers of superior knowledge of those times,
knew and were expecting the birth of Messiahs.

C. We can find predictions well before the Messiahs appeared.

D. Predictions are astounding and could not
be fixed in every civilization!

Maybe one - not all - no way!

There is a paradox of predictions indeed.

E. Even major calamities and wars are predicted.

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Those advanced Astrologers (or Magi [Magicians])
knew the basic three:

1. who,

2. where and

3. when, as well as the outcome.

Destiny has been predicted.

I do not discuss opponents of the scientific approach,
as one can not expect a logical debate with them.

Wild beliefs contradicting common sense
pushed as "science" is infantile.

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I address the two, main camps of scientifically inclined people:

1) Those who believe that, while Astronomical events descrined
are, virtually, indisputable, the Messiahs, even though,
not indisputable are likely to be born and
physically existing
as historically claimed;

2) 1) Those who believe that, while Astronomical events described
are, virtually, indisputable, the Messiahs, even though,
not categorically denied, are
only a symbolism
of the Astronomical events and only.

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Sharing Lights · #4 09-14-2007, 03:53 AM

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Part IV:

Let's probe Astrological side of things.

There could be a few, possible scenarios.

We look at the main ones.

According to the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus was born near the end of Herod’s reign which, would place his birth at 6-4 BCE. Luke tells us that Jesus was born around the time when the Roman governor Quirinus took a census in Judea. That would place his birth at 6-7 CE, ten years from the end of Herod's death. As explained in the nativity legends, neither version is credible.

Mark and John say nothing.

We might wonder what Matthew and Luke imply when it was known at the time of Jesus’ birth that he would be a savior. The answer is bound up in astrology, based on his place of birth and the alignment of the stars at his time of birth. Matthew does it by imputing the wise men (magi=astrologer), and Luke suggests shepherds were visited by an angel (angel=angle). (Google Bible Astrology)

The way Jesus has been described in the gospels
we can't say for sure if a reference was made to a real individual or a symbolism?

Controversial to say the least!

The date of his annual birth can be found in the stars because he was a mythologized sun hero. (See Gospel Zodiac) This may explain the astrological significance of December 25th and the age which marked the year of his birth. The date of his birth was probably set at December 25, 7 BCE.

The clue to the timing of Jesus’ birth has to do with his association with fish. In what astrologers call
a Great Year spanning 25920 years;
it is divided into twelve Ages according to the constellations of the Zodiac, lasting
2160 years each.

Because earth rotates with a wobble called precession, it does not return to the exact point of departure from the previous year.

When the sun is at its highest position during the spring equinox, the constellation in its background determines
the Age it is in.
(For more detail, refer to the concept of Bible Astrology)

Technically, the Age of Jesus began when the sun entered Pisces on the spring equinox.

At the beginning of spring for the last two thousand years, the sun appears to be drifting across the stars of Pisces with each passing year.

Because this creeping process is so slow, it is not easy to make an exact determination when an Age begins and ends.

But the timing of the beginning of the Age of Pisces fits nicely with the Bible’s depiction of Jesus being born about 4-6 years before the beginning of the first century.

The Age of Jesus

On May 27, 7 BCE, shining as a beacon in the Western sky, a conjunction occurred among Jupiter (traditional king of the gods) and Saturn (ruling planet of Judah) in the constellation of Pisces the Fish (the House of the Hebrews).

For a few days the two planets appear as if to be nearly touching. There was a second conjunction between Jupiter and Saturn on October 6 and a third Jupiter-Saturn conjunction on December 1.

Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions occur about every twenty years. Triple Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions occur about every 139 years.

And triple Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions occur in Pisces roughly once every 900 years.

Jupiter is the fourth brightest planet after the Sun, Moon and Venus.

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Sharing Lights · #5 09-14-2007, 03:53 AM

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1. The Age of Jesus began with three Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions in Pisces.

2. Since then, the sun has been creeping across Pisces every spring for the last 2,000 years.

About 2012 the sun will enter the Age of Aquarius.
Then it can be said that the Age of Jesus has past.

”I am with you always to the end of the age.” (Matt. 28:20).

Note, "the Age" is not the end of the world as
portrayed by ignorant religious Establishment which had no clue what was
re-writing but a fixed number of years of a zodiac cycle.

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Divine conception

I would venture into it in later Posts.

Meanwhile, the next question is when was the Virgin Mary, allegedly,
conceived by the Holy Spirit?

By affixing the timing of Jesus’ birth at December 25, she would have to
have been conceived nine months earlier.

That would be when on or about the sun crosses
the spring equinox on March 21.

By looking at the midnight sky at that time we see the constellation
Virgo descending upside down as if
she is in the missionary position ready for conception.

Virgo signifies virgin - not literally - symbolically.

Allegorically, the sun has conquered the forces of evil because it is when
daylight hours exceed nighttime hours.

In the spring she is free of sin because it is the only season of the year
when the sun has overpowered the retreating dark forces.

Thus there is peace on earth.

3. The virgin being descended upon by the Holy Spirit on
March 21.

It sounds very probable, then, that Jesus was conceived
on the day of the Vernal Equinox - March 21.

The Nativity

Some sources say that the triple conjunction looks like a single bright star
and depicts the wise men and the star of Bethlehem.

Not so!

For a better fit we need three stars to represent the three gifts symbolizing
the wise men.

We also need an unusually bright star for the star of Bethlehem, and we
need a yearly event that coincides with the sun’s rising on December 25.

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The candidate for the three wise men
can be found in the constellation of Orion the hunter.

It has three stars at its belt that align with Sirius.

What makes Sirius the prime candidate for the star of Bethlehem is that it is
the brightest star in the sky next to the sun.

4. The three wise men which can be found at Your Sky.

At four o’clock in the evening, on December 25,
Sirius rises above the horizon in Jerusalem.

This was the first such event in the Age of Pisces.

The three stars on the belt of Orion point down towards Sirius, the star of Bethlehem.

Orion is not
a trivial constellation; it plays the part of the Son of Man in the Gospels.

The significance of Bethlehem is another play
on words. In Hebrew, “Bethlehem” means house of bread.

As the picture of Virgo shows in the picture above, Virgo is holding stalks of grain.

It symbolizes Mary in the house of bread.

The name of “Mary” is etymologically related to
water, the element of birth.

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The earth was without form and void,
and darkness was upon the face of the deep;
and the Spirit of God was moving over the face
of the waters. (Gen. 1:2)

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Sharing Lights · #6 09-14-2007, 04:06 AM

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Part V:

A look from another angle:

re: the Magi story and Matthew's Gospel.

There could be a possibility that the Magi were expecting the birth of
a King/Messiah not on our so-called Christmas Day of 25th of December,
(which is in any case based on the old pagan festival of the Birth of Mithras)
but rather on 29th July 7 BC.

There was also a unique, Astronomical configuration.

Let's probe it also.

Each year at that time the Sun would rise in the "King's Birthday" position:
conjunct with the "Little King" or "Lion Heart" star of Regulus
in Leo.

At the same time, just prior to the dawn, Sirius, the brightest star in the sky,
would make its first appearance after a period of invisibility.

According to the mythology of Egypt, Sirius was the special star
of the goddess Isis.

Her reappearance represented the goddess coming out of confinement
to give birth, at dawn. to her son Horus, represented by
the Sun-conjunct-Regulus.

The mythology behind this arrangement of stars was Christianised by
the early church so that Sirius now represented Mary giving birth not
to Horus but to her own son, Jesus, symbolised as the sawn sun.

Other stars visible at dawn on that day are also significant.

Orion, which in Egypt represented Osiris,
the consort of Isis now
became Joseph.

The star Procyon, which like Sirius rises after Orion, had probably represented
Isis's sister Nephthys.

It now became the ‘mid-wife’, who also appears in some of
the Nativity stories.

The above is not very clear but the rest makes much sense.

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The stable is represented by the zodiac: the place of animals.

Visible in it are the Ox (Taurus) and
sheep (Aries).

The manger in which the baby Jesus is laid is
the place where the animals get their food.

In Hebrew ‘Bethlehem’ we already know means "Place of Bread".

It was also a city in the province of Judah,
the Lion tribe of Israel, and
is therefore represented by the star Regulus in the Leo or
Lion constellation.

The sun conjunct Regulus is therefore symbolic of Jesus in the Manger.

The three shepherds are also symbolized in the sky.

They are stars that "lead the way" and are represented by
the stars Procyon, Castor and Pollux which
all rise before Sirius and therefore, like shepherds,
lead the way for the rising sun.

The three kings are something different

The "Star of the Magi" which supposedly guided them to the stable in Bethlehem
appears to be the great conjunction of the two large planets Jupiter and Saturn.

This conjunction lasted on and off for several months and took place in Pisces,
the sign of the fish and symbolic of both
Christianity and the then new age.

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Sharing Lights · #7 09-14-2007, 04:22 AM

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An excellent explanation about the origins of the constellations can be
found in the Ancient Egypt.

Do not underestimate their wisdom.

To the ancient Egyptians, Orion was their god Osiris.

In the Gospels, Orion is the Son of man.

To the Egyptians, Sirius was their,
most sacred star.

Its brightness combined with its rising at the time
of the spring equinox,
marked off each new year.

Therefore, anyway you look,
March 21 - the Vernal Equinox
appears to be a crucial Astrological and Historic date.

Great events revolve around it as spring conquers
winter - and, symbolically, good overpowers evil.

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I have my, own strong belief on the subject of
holy conception and
what it, truly, signifies.

I would continue with
Part VI in the evening,
as my, astrological clock tells me to land my
center of gravity in horizontal position;
otherwise spirit and body
can't find the common ground,
as well as Yin representative of the population
may not notice my Yang one day.

Balance spirit and body
or spirit
would have no-body!

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Sharing Lights · #8 09-14-2007, 11:45 PM

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Part VI:

Since Omraam Aivanhov already explained symbolism
of Christmas so well, it is appropriate to quote
him below, before we proceed further.

Many Keys would be given Below to understand
what is transpiring - Above!

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Christmas in the Initiatic Tradition

Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov

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The birth of Jesus must be understood in all three worlds:

1. as an historical phenomenon,

2. as a psychic, mystical phenomenon, and

3. as a Cosmic phenomenon.

Today I am concerned with the mystical phenomenon.

St Luke was the most scholarly of the Evangelists. In his telling of the birth of Jesus, he revealed the events that take place in the soul of every human being in the form of images. It is these symbolic images that I want to show you now.

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Conception and birth
For the Christ Child to be born, there must be parents, a father and mother: the father, Joseph, is the mind, the spirit; the mother, Mary, is the heart, the soul. When the heart and soul are pure, then the Child is born, not of the mind and spirit, but of the Universal Soul, the Holy Spirit in the form of Fire, or Divine Love... a pure flame that invades and fertilizes the human heart and soul. The soul and heart represent the feminine receptive principle, whereas the mind and spirit represent the masculine principle, and together they prepare the conditions for the Holy Spirit, Universal Soul, or Fire, to take possession of the soul of Mary. That is when the Christ Child is born. But as this birth must take place in all three worlds, the child must also be born on the physical plane. You see, it is much more complex than you imagined.

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Sharing Lights · #9 09-14-2007, 11:46 PM

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No room at the inn
When Mary and Joseph sought refuge at the inn, there was no room for them, that is, human beings who are too busy eating and drinking and amusing themselves, have no room for the Initiate who has received the Child. This Divine Child which is conceived in him as a Light may be an ideal he has long cherished and nourished, but where can he go with It? No one will open the door to him, that is, no one understands him. But wait, yonder is a stable. The stable and its manger are symbolic, first of all, of poverty, of difficulty with material conditions. Yes, for one who is inhabited by the Spirit it will always be thus: humans will never appreciate him, they will always refuse to receive him, but thanks to the Light projected by him around the manger, he will be seen from afar by others who will come and visit him.

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Sharing Lights · #10 09-14-2007, 11:46 PM

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The five-pointed star
This Light represented by a star with five points is an absolute reality: it shines above the head of every Initiate whose feminine principle (that is, whose heart and soul) has given birth to the Christ Child, conceived by the Holy Spirit. Then the mind, Joseph, instead of being jealous and repudiating Mary as a gross man might (‘This child you have given birth to is not mine, get out!’), must bow before her and say, ‘It must be God Himself who has brought this efflorescence to the heart and soul of Mary. I am not capable of that.’ The mind must not be resentful or angry, but rather be understanding and think, ‘This is something beyond my understanding...,’ and be willing to shelter and protect Mary. To repudiate Mary is to repudiate half one’s being, to become like those who are purely intellectual and rational, having banished all emotion, all receptivity, all gentleness, humility, and kindness. Many people have repudiated Mary because she chose to receive the Holy Spirit.

You must understand that Mary and Joseph are symbols of the inner life: those who deny Mary are dry and cold, their mind is critical, discontented, destructive... Joseph was not this way, on the contrary, he respected Mary and kept her with him, saying to himself, ‘Oh, she is expecting a child... I will protect her because she needs my help.’

And what is the Star? It is a phenomenon that inevitably occurs in the life of a true mystic, a true Initiate. Above his head appears a star, a luminous pentacle. ‘That which is above is like that which is below, and that which is below is like that which is above’: the pentacle must therefore exist doubly for man is himself a living pentacle, and when he has fully developed the five virtues of kindness, justice, love, wisdom and truth, another pentacle appears in the form of light, to represent him in the higher spheres.

This light, this Star that shines above the stable means that every Initiate who has in him the Living Christ, shines with a light that appeases and nourishes, a comforting, healing, purifying, revitalizing light. When this light shines brightly enough to be seen from afar by others, they know that something special is manifesting itself through that being. It is the Christ.

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