The Koran How it verifies that Jesus was the Son of God

[Shoonra]

Does Mohammed's claim to be a prophet make him a real prophet?
Same question about Joseph Smith ...

Does the mention of Jesus in favorable terms make the Koran a reliable and holy book?
Same question about the Book of Mormon ....

[trooper2ls]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

Does Mohammed's claim to be a prophet make him a real prophet?
Same question about Joseph Smith ...

Does the mention of Jesus in favorable terms make the Koran a reliable and holy book?
Same question about the Book of Mormon ....

Personally I suspect all books that came after the original Hebrew text. There are soooo many distortions and variations of Christian works and all that came after. I have a number of books on the dead sea scrolls and it really reveals the controversial nature of early Christian writings. I'm not Jewish, but I respect and acknowledge the intact and unchanged word of God passed down through the Torah, Prophets and Writings.

The cannonization of the council of Nicea that was overseen by a convert from a pagan is highly suspect. After all Moses was raised as an Egyption prince, found out he was Hebrew and learned and transcribed the word of God directly from the source.

My opinion only.. but it is something to consider.. why did they "edit" God's word at Nicea ? There is no mention that God oversaw the cannonization process and authorized or recommended the changes to the original text. It is hard to overlook the changed meaning of so many teachings that occured during this cannonization process.

Look at the bloodshed, controversy and debt that these variations and omissions have caused over the past 1800+ years.

..J

[netwrkranger]

Does Mohammed's claim to be a prophet make him a real prophet?
Same question about Joseph Smith ...

Does the mention of Jesus in favorable terms make the Koran a reliable and holy book?
Same question about the Book of Mormon ....
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The same questions can be asked of any faith.

Is Jesus "the Son of God"?
2 out of 3 monotheistic religions say no ....

Has the Bible been uncorrupted?
Changes were made during the Councils of Nicea and Trent ...

So Shoonra, are you comparing Muhammad to Joseph Smith? Are you comparing the Qur'an to the Book of Mormon?

I am trying to figure out if you are constructing straw men or red herrings. Your analogies are weak, IMHO.

- netwrkranger

[Shoonra]

Best analogy I can come up with.
ANOTHER religion with its own prophet and its own version of Jesus. There are probably more than that, but I picked the one that Americans would immediately recognize.

How many Americans would AUTOMATICALLY speak of "the Prophet Joseph Smith" and automatically censor any disrespectful reference to him?
How many Americans would AUTOMATICALLY treat the Book of Mormon as a holy book and punish any disrespectful handling of a copy?

And yet Mormons are consistently among our best citizens, and Moslems are usually among our enemies.

[netwrkranger]

Shoonra wrote:
And yet Mormons are consistently among our best citizens, and Moslems are usually among our enemies.

I am sure you speak for all Mormons and Muslims with the stereotypical quote above.....

What do your superfluous analogies have to do with the original claim of this thread? Seems to me you are interjecting arguments that detract rather than contribute to this discussion.

[mrg]

Originally Posted by netwrkranger

Seems to me you are interjecting arguments that detract rather than contribute to this discussion.

That is Uncle Bernie's raison d'être here:

"Fiddling about."

[mrg]

Shoonra wrote:
And yet Mormons are consistently among our best citizens, and Moslems are usually among our enemies.

How, precisely, aren't you appearing a "bit" anti-semitic?

Are you anti-semitic?

I have taught hundreds of friendly Islamic ("Moslem") children, have sterling Islamic neigbors, and find your statement repugnant, and terrifying.

Perhaps I should report you to the Anti-Defamation League as an anti-semitic terrorist?

[trooper2ls]

I guess I'm just your sterotypical white guy then..?? Whatever that means..

..J

Originally Posted by rottweiler

Intent? You make it seem like I am about to commit a unpardonable sin. Just hold your horses.

There is only one God.

God inhabited flesh called Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ wasn't literally His Son in a human sense and son of God is a euphemism applied to many people in the Bible. The thing you should focus on is the Messiah was a bridge between God and man, between the spiritual and the physical. He came in the flesh to conquer death for those who believe in Him. He did just that and it is finished. The good guys win.

John
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

What is God's name? I am.

That was the so-called blasphemy that he was crucified for. A man claiming to be God. He was.

Just for the record, "I AM" refers to Yahweh, the Creator, Christ pre-incarnate. This does not refer to Father God, who if you read Genesis chapter 1 and 2, will come to realize Father God is the Creator's Creator. ie: The Word was with God.....

Yahweh is also referred to as the Word. The Word is the law, Jesus is the Word, who "did not come to abolish the law but fulfill it" [paraphrase mine]

The Godhead consists of Father God, Christ (Jesus/Yahweh), and the Holy Spirit.

Also for the record, most of Christianity today does not represent Christ fully in conduct. Jesus himself says "Do not bow down to me, worship the Father only." Check out Rev. 19-22. (cross ref with Matthew) John tried to bow to him and Jesus said don't do it.

Why? When you worship Jesus, you get the old law. This results in our judgment by Jesus. But when you worship the Head of the Godhead, Father God, you get the new covenant and operate in miracles as Jesus did.

Jesus came to show us the Father. Period.
Jesus is our Judge to be. The Father loves us and wants us whole, and he sent Jesus to tell us to get it straight! You don't see this preached today in most churches.

I could go on and on, but I will just say read your original 1611 King James version bible. These other texts did have too much taken out of them to be coherent and relay the truth. It is like everything else we learn on this site, go back to the source code.

If you want an education on the false translations of the Bible, check out a book entitled "Ripped out of the Bible". It is quite enlightening.