"GOD IS THE UNIVERSE, so GOD IS both GOOD AND EVIL." - Page 2

PANICPASS · #11 01-05-2005, 06:01 PM

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How can you believe in Jesus as a savior, if you can't believe in the existence of God as a person.

I never said I believed in Jesus as a savior. I said that you and everyone else out there who believes in a "God" should believe in Jesus-- that only Jesus can save you. I do not believe in any savior. I believe in existence. Existence exists through opposites, it is a balance of opposites. A person who learns how to balance becomes capable of knowing what life is, what existence is, what godliness is. The secret key is balance.

You sure do sound religious to me, wirlwind.

wirlwind · #12 01-05-2005, 06:25 PM

You sound religious also- in what you believe. My faith has very little tolerance for philosophy. I believe in existence also- the existence of an Omnipotent and Living God. He is as real to me as my son, husband and father. The Bible has become a living word in my heart. The Holy Spirit has imprinted the truth in my heart. I don't need proof. I just know that it is. It isn't a belief. A belief leaves room for doubt. I have none. If I die, and wake up and discover that it is all a myth, I have lost nothing. If people that don't believe die, and wake up and discover that it was the truth, they have lost eternity.

Religious or not, you will be in my prayers. There must be some element of curiosity because you are on the religious forum. God can work here also.

#13 01-06-2005, 02:11 AM

Hi, Panic.....

Your posts remind me of that ol' Anselm Proslogion-thing:

"God is that than which nothing greater can be thought."

So for Christians it becomes the ultimate "out." One's "concept" of God is never the same as the alleged "reality" of God. That sort of thinking.

Man, I hadn't thought about Anselm in ages.....

Randy

weishaupt1776 · #14 01-06-2005, 02:46 AM

Check out this thread here. I'd be interested to hear your take on it. http://forum.suijuris.net/showthread.php?t=1696&page=1

PANICPASS · #15 01-06-2005, 04:00 AM

You sound religious also- in what you believe.

Nope, sorry. I don't "believe" in existence.

I don't need proof. I just know that it is. It isn't a belief. A belief leaves room for doubt. I have none.

You have convinced yourself that you know. That is all. It does not mean that what you believe exists. Again, you have a belief, nothing more.

I'll guess I leave all you religious people alone now--- alone to your own beliefs. Ha ha.

iamfreeru2 · #16 01-06-2005, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by PANICPASS

I never said I believed in Jesus as a savior. I said that you and everyone else out there who believes in a "God" should believe in Jesus-- that only Jesus can save you. I do not believe in any savior. I believe in existence. Existence exists through opposites, it is a balance of opposites. A person who learns how to balance becomes capable of knowing what life is, what existence is, what godliness is. The secret key is balance.

You sure do sound religious to me, wirlwind.

Tell me how did you come into existance? I believe in existance, but I did not wave a magic wand and poof now I am here. Where did the egg and sperm come from in my mother's womb? Did they just happen by chance?

About opposites, where did that come from? How can balancing opposites give you understanding about life, existance and godliness? What is godliness? Where did godliness come from?

You asked in another post, who created YHWH? YHWH has always been. He is not a created being like us. He is the creator.

I have a question for you. If the universe is GOD, then who created the universe? Your question only creates more questions. You see what you believe is based strictly on faith and nothing more. Our belief as Christians is based on the written word and the fact that Yeshua did exist and was crucified. This is part of history. What is your belief based on? Is it based on some faulty scientific data? Where did science come from? Where did gravity come from? These are all valid questions.

There is an order to everything in the universe. If things just happened, what are the chances of everything being in order? Where did the talents and abilities of mankind come from? Did we give ourselves those talents and abilities, did they just happen, or did they come from a creator? I guess eveything just happened by coincidence or chance. NOT!!!!

As far as I am concerned the Bible has all the answers. It has all the answers because it came from my creator. YHWH said it so that settles it. The Bible is trustworthy and YHWH is trustworthy. I have never been let down yet. As Wirlwind is going to pray for you so will I.

iamfreeru2

KaosTheory · #17 01-06-2005, 09:47 AM

I don't really understand what PanicPass is saying.

PP,

Are you saying that something can come from nothing?

In one sense, you seem to be saying no but in another sense you seem to be saying yes.

Are you saying that just because you can't see something, that it doesn't exist? i.e. this YHWH person?

You seem to be saying that you "know" nothing but do you really "know" that you "know" nothing? If you "know" nothing then how come you feel the need to tell other people that what they believe is wrong? If you "know" nothing then wouldn't this contradict your own belief?

KT

wirlwind · #18 01-06-2005, 02:32 PM

PP,

How could I have convinced myself that I know, when my natural nature is at enmity with God. Man, by nature, will run from God, and not try to "convince" themselves that God is real. For a long time, I resisted the Lord, but, praise God, He didn't let me go. He chose me! And I remember the exact minute when He put His Truth in my heart. It was an event, not a thing that happened over time. That is when I knew- and I didn't have to be "convinced".

Please don't minimize what people have experienced because you haven't. I pray that someday tht you will. I don't expect you to understand what apparently you have never experienced. However, I do understand where you are coming from, because I have been there. Having experienced both, I can say without a doubt, that I much prefer where I am now.

PANICPASS · #19 01-07-2005, 04:07 AM

whirlwind,

I didnt' know I had the power to minimize your experience. I'll have to watch more closely what I say next time, because the last thing I want to do is "minimize" your experience.

I would like to stay and chat more with you "good" and "bad" people, but I don't have a lot of time during the week to do that. So, until next time...

Hallaluah, Hallaluah. Praise the lord, Praise the Lord, Hallaluah.

iamfreeru2 · #20 01-07-2005, 05:37 AM

PANICPASS,

I too was once where you are! Like Wirlwind, I have experienced both sides. I have seen many people that were convinced there was no God until He got a hold of them. Now they are sold out to YHWH.

I have had many things happen in my life, one of which was a cancer. That was in 1991 and I have been cancer free now for almost 14 years. I had large cell lymphoma, which a fairly aggressive cancer. I was told I had a 40% chance of survival and I probably had it somewhere else in my body. I had a lump in my neck for almost 6 months. Not only was it not elswhere in my body, but for six months it did not spread. I attribute that to YHWH and is just one of many things He has been in control of in my life.

I pray that one day you will experience what Wirlwind, Weis, myself and others on this site have experienced when we allowed Yeshua into our lives. Laying your life down for someone else is the the ultimate showing of sacrificial love that anyone can show. That is what Yeshua did for me. If what Yeshua did is a lie, then none of us have any hope. Since YHWH cannot lie, I take Him at His word. I do praise YHWH for what He has done with a greatful heart. I hope that some day you will too.

In His love,
iamfreeru2