Was Jesus crucified for resisting taxes? Lk 23-1

[quasimodo]

To my knowledge it was only 4 days prior to his crucifixion that he turned over the tables of the moneychangers in the temple.
They (moneychangers) were charging 1 half shekel to enter the temple.
It is my belief that this was the sole reason for his death.
I've had this conversation with many "Christians" in saying that most "Christians" have no clue as to what it is to be a Christian.
To be a Christian is to strive to be Christlike, or to be like Christ. What was Christ like? Well in his last days he was running around the countryside telling his people that their government was corrupt to the core, and that their churches were screwing them.
What are people like Alex Jones, Jack Blood, Officer Jack McLamb, and an endless host of others doing. They are running around the countryside telling his people that their government is corrupt to the core, and that their churches are screwing them. By this logic these people are more Christian like it or not than are the vast majority of today's churchgoers.
Churchgoer vs. Christian. Big difference.
Q

[scottinalaska]

Heh,heh,
And even look at Presidential candidate, Ron Paul. He's running around the country side saying "Government will NOT bring you salvation. it is killing you slowly!"
And the media and establishment hate him.
Maybe he is being Christlike too!
I like your parallel, quasi.
scottinalaska

[David Merrill]

To my knowledge it was only 4 days prior to his crucifixion that he turned over the tables of the moneychangers in the temple.

They (moneychangers) were charging 1 half shekel to enter the temple.

My point exactly. In the nature of the descriptor moneychangers, they were selling the half-shekel denomination for a different currency. By running operations of the Temple on any currency and then specifically demanding pilgrims pay the tax in shekels, the moneychangers were gouging. They were able to hoard shekels and then charge profit to themselves selling the shekels to the pilgrims. They were moneychangers, not Temple Tax collectors.

Paying the Temple Tax was the next step. After getting your hands, at a loss, on the half-shekel coin.

I like the point about what got Jesus in trouble too. And today's parallels in our contemporary heroes.



Regards,

David Merrill.

[amenmesse]

Originally Posted by Livefire

This is an interesting premise, but in actuality, the debt was incurred much earlier through Adam. Thru fradulent means, God's steward Adam entered into a voluntary servitude and Satan/Lucifer became holder in due course of the kingdoms of this age.

I understand the lower part but not this upper part. I can see the debt due to God for the loss of apple and breech of stewardship but is there something else? How was title to the planet conveyed into trust at Mt Sinai?

Jesus Christ being a kinsman to Adam had the right to redeem that note. According to the law all sacrifices were performed by the tribe of Levi. Therefore it was necessary for the religious leaders of His day to initiate and instigate the circumstances surrounding the crucifixion, in order for it to be a legal and binding transaction.

The Bible declares that death reigned from Adam until Moses, I didnt really understand this for quite some time. I now realize that title to the planet was conveyed into a trust at Sinai until the appropriate time came and the note was redeemed and the proceeds of the trust were then distributed to the heirs of salvation.

[amenmesse]

[quote=David Merrill]
I think it probably fits reality of law much more closely than the counterpoint model where Jesus is a Sacrificial Lamb according to the Levites.[/QOUTE]

I don't see any detraction from the concept of Jesus as the lamb. The premise I wrote about was in relation to Abraham. In relation to God the people needed an atonement for the sins of being led astray into the Roman law by the Pharasees. They had been required to know the law and write it upon their hearts but the Pharasees being college educated people expounded on the law so much and made it complicated and they spoke with such eloquence (notice what Moses says to God, ("I don't speak so good, the people won't listen to me)) the average person would believe them. Hence the lamb to pay that debt, but this payment would only be pertinent to those who accepted its purpose. But at the same time the death of Jesus put an end to the legal sovereignty of Israel as a nation (in relation to God). When the people said "Give us Barrabas" they were choosing popular sovereignty in preference to legal sovereignty.

P.S. I think Ned was quite passionate about this thread:

http://www.jesus-on-taxes.com/user/J...ruary08(2).pdf

And disputing my point of view. However I do not think my point of view was different enough to beg much a dispute. I feel that Jesus plainly accused the temple priest of using other coinage from other realms for running the Temple, paying expenses when the priest pulled the Tiberias denarion from his purse. Jesus, like with the 501(c)(3) "church" today, was saying that the Temple obviously belonged to Caesar - not God. And I believe the Temple Tax was a contraction on the drachma, because on the paying tax part of everything, the priests were demanding the pilgrims have to buy drachmas at the moneychanger tables.

So in many ways Ned and I have agreed all along. When Jesus lost his temper, that is what I believe got him in serious trouble with the Herodians in their Roman Temple.

Also: http://www.jesus-on-taxes.com/user/NED'SBLOGARCHIVESFeb06.pdf

I agree. The Pharasees were prostituting the temple of Solomon as much as prostituting the people. This is/was part of the war between the temple of the east (Babylon)v the temple of the west (Solomons temple). In the ancient days it wasn't unusual for a temple to open one door and sell chre fulfillments (subconcious mysticisms) with shows and plays (what we see in churchs today), and then open the other door and engage in commerce. This was done at the temple of Delphi where after services the priesthood went to boil camel dung and produce ammonia for commerce. So when Jesus sees the House of his father being commercialized by the moneychangers, as a Priest he gets perturbed. He's protecting his fathers property and gets murdered for it.