Romans 13 / Caesar

[weishaupt1776]

http://www.hisholychurch.net/sermon/Romans13.html
http://www.embassyofheaven.com/newsl...tm#Romans%2013
http://www.directoryupdate.net/taxofgod.html
http://www.ldolphin.org/romans/romans14.html

[iamfreeru2]

Here is a document I have had for awhile now. I have uploaded it for those that are interested. I think it is very infomative and shows how much the church is blinded to the truth.

[weishaupt1776]

http://www.alpinesurvival.com/the-bi...n-control.html

[idknow]

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

Thank you, thank you, thank you

I'm downloading the mp3 now & I'll burn the CD's and give 'em to some pastors

It's amazing how much bondage the Ecclesia is in.

They are being intimidated to cough up ten percent of their NET wages AFTER the IRS has raped 30%.

They justify it with "Render Unto Caesar what is Caesar's and to God's what is God's"

See, there ya go. Tithing and Taxes in one verse.

Then they are told to lick the boots of an unlawful government because of a shallow readin of Romans 13.

Serious Bondage.

That's not counting promissory notes & credit cards.

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Well, that title's alittle to harsh for me but it makes the point.

As it is written, "we are to come out of her my people"
the words "come out" are simple and need no analysis to understand.

It means what it means, and linking that to the record of Acts 4.32,34 where it says that all were of one heart, [spirit] one soul [mind], shared all that they had and <b>none</b> lacked anything for all who were [blessed with prosperity shared] which should lead one to think of the place where Jesus said "give and it shall be given back, shaken, pressed-down (compressed), running over."

Two nots on this last point, 1. this is the logic of heavenly father's word, and 2. This is HIS style of heavenly economics.

When we give to another (regardless of state-of-salvation) we get it back, and when we give our best (as we should) to another, Abba restores to us with super-abundance and overflowing so that we have more to share!

Abba gives us excess so that we can distribute to and satisfy the lack of others.

[idknow]

Originally Posted by Livefire

Just as a note without going into intensive exegis.......
Tithing never involved money....it was always the firstfuits of the agricultural increase. They had silver and gold back then too!!!! I would like to see what a minister would do if one presented him/her with a chicken and a basket of veggies from the garden! There was also a second and a third tithe taken as well. One was for the person and his famili to eat before the Lord and the other was for the support of the widow and the orphan! In any one year, 19% of the increase was given if you study it out. We also have to remember that ancient Israel was a theocratic republic governed by God and adminstered by men.

I wouldnt mind that set up....if we did that there would be very little poverty in the land today! My practical advice about tithing is this....If you believe wholeheatedly in the vision of a local ecclesia and have the financial means to support it with a "tithe" ...God Bless and I rejoice that He has blessed you in that manner! On the other hand, if you struggle to make ends meet and you let some "minister" lay a guilt trip on you to give that last 10 FRNs in the offering plate instead of taking care of the family, you deserve to have yer backside kicked. A man that doesnt provide for his own house is WORSE than an infidel according to scripture!!! Study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY dividing the Word of Truth. The Spirit of God will lead you into all Truth!

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well said! and Here, Here!

[idknow]

Originally Posted by iamfreeru2

Remember the tithe was always SUBSTANCE and never a fiction. YHWH does not deal in fictions. FRNs are not only fiction, but an obligation. Does YHWH want an obligation? A piece if paper? A debt? YHWH wants first fruit from our labor. I like what Winston Shrout says "All wealth comes from the ground." Working the ground is not only satisfying but you provide substance for your family and others as well. Too many pastors think money is the only tithe and then do not even know what money is.

Livefire, what YHWH wants is our worship out of love for Him. He wants our trust and knowing that He provides what we need. If He knows we are willing to give our last dollar to Him, He will honor that and provide for us. He will never let His people starve, especially when are obedient to Him. Family is always second to YHWH, remember that.

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And isnt it amazing that Abba deals with us according to wy the economics has changed to That we are prevented from satisfying the holy writ? But as said in an earlier post, it's the food that there maybe MEAT in MINE house. And I love to ponder that it's me and us, his children that He's discussing and thinking on. Since learning that the tithe was food or money to buy food has been a relief, comfort and joy to obediently go shopping for food! I eat so well now that when I recall past years of struggling, and when I remember the struggling that my parents had to suffer, ... Well, suffice it to say that that bondage is broken off of me.

Would twere that she would recieve this knowledge from me...
and My sisters too.

Well, one day.

[weishaupt1776]

Here is some more stuff onRomans 13:1-7

Another incorporating Romans 13:1-7

[weishaupt1776]

Render Unto Caesar ???

[weishaupt1776]

http://hushmoney.org/UnlimitedSubmission_Mayhew.htm

[idknow]

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

Render Unto Caesar ???

But caesar *needs* to show proper authority and jurisdiction because that how the system works!