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Originally Posted by Jerry Pitts
The whole system is based upon a 'presumption' that something was represented to have occurred which may or may not have occurred in the manner which has been represented.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro -Hunter S. Thompson
I have read the Bible and finally agree that Paul meant to say exactly what he says in a plain reading of Romans 13. In 1928 Eli Marcus RAVAGE wrote a couple enlightening articles:
Ravage's concept and perspective interleaves well with The Nazarene Gospel Restored by Robert Graves and Joshua Podro (Center of Bookshelf photo).
My conclusion is that Jesus was no more God than the rest of us, and I included the photo of Daniel in the Lions' Den in the cropping attached as demonstration. We are all instilled with the image of God and that is what the lions saw that prevented them viewing Daniel for his nutritive value. Peter ran ahead of Shaul's (later Paul) team and alerted Jesus near Demascus and they made a threatening confrontation when Paul was isolated from his team of tax collectors (Herodian Guardsmen). Giving up the pursuit of bounty hunting, Paul began to focus on the pagan rumors of Resurrection and Virgin Birth from his homeland in Asia Minor and developed an idea for the perfect weapon against Roman occupation of Israel.
When that weapon is ignored by zealots like in the film snippet, the consequences are obvious as history itself. The zealous Christians attacked a near-defenseless caravan and stir Saladin into taking Jerusalem back.
I have read of zealots trying to attribute a misguided faith that Jesus is God (enough to have arisen from death) to common law - Christian Common Law. It gets nowhere. Even the Christian Jural Society Non-Statutory Abatements could be redacted to the functional sentence, "Therefore your Papers are hereby returned to you timely Refused for Cause with no Recourse to me."
My conclusion is that Jesus was no more God than the rest of us,
David, with all due respect to a most important issue concerning the eternal destiny of your soul; you may be running a serious risk of intellectualizing your self into the wrong place.
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Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
What would you do if, on the day you die; you face The Righteous Judge and he shows you that verse?
__________________ Quit Walking Around Like a Half Breed Freeman Find Out How
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Pitts
The whole system is based upon a 'presumption' that something was represented to have occurred which may or may not have occurred in the manner which has been represented.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro -Hunter S. Thompson
David, with all due respect to a most important issue concerning the eternal destiny of your soul; you may be running a serious risk of intellectualizing your self into the wrong place.
What would you do if, on the day you die; you face The Righteous Judge and he shows you that verse?
Indeed I take that risk. And although I have not read all the books you see cover-to-cover I have cracked every one of them for reference and thoroughly read many of them.
You describe the risk we all take in this life. Believe you me I have the faith of Jesus Christ; my faith in Jesus Christ is simply a more reasonable one than to believe the God of Abraham needed to raise him from the dead to complete the prophecies. For instance Isaiah was simply describing a good Jew in the context of the term "son". Raising the "s" to a capital (noun in specific) is an encryption non-extant in the Hebrew or Aramaic writing.
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Originally Posted by esword KJV
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Many encryptions exist in that (early) Masonic version of the Bible. And the encryptions are truthful:
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Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
I think you point out the most frightening aspect of studying religion; that is, frightening to the lazy preachers who chose not to work for a living. And I had one counseling me during my studies. Actually a team of churchmen who would meet regularly with me trying to slow me down. Trying to get me to appreciate faith over reason. I have faith - so much so that I challenge you to show me where in the Old Covenant there are indications that Jesus the Messiah would be endowed with any supernatural power of Resurrection.
Regards,
David Merrill.
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For The sake of argument, let's say that the first English Bibles we have today were written by Masons in the 1600's.
Well until the 30's the Dead Sea Scrolls were sitting there with a COMPLETE book of Isaiah, the book which contained the verse i cited in the thread before. The so called "Masonic" translations were based on the Masoretic text, which was dated around 900 A.D.
The Dead Sea Scrolls are unarguably dated at 125 B.C.
There is NO variation, at least in the book of Isaiah between both the texts wich appear to have 1,000 years difference between each other.
So, we would now have to either prove that the Masons drew up those Dead Sea Scrolls as well as the Masoretic text OR that the Masons decided to keep the non-Masonic stuff, too
regarding Old Covenant resurrection prophecy:
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"f"An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth". Matthew 12.39-40
"All things which are written about Me in the law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." (Luke 24:44)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Pitts
The whole system is based upon a 'presumption' that something was represented to have occurred which may or may not have occurred in the manner which has been represented.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro -Hunter S. Thompson
"f"An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth". Matthew 12.39-40
The comment from Matthew (New Covenant) indicates you would substantiate the comment from the Book of Isaiah. Maybe it is there? If so I can research it a bit.
The challenge was to find it from the Old Covenant - not a New Covenant comment about the Old Covenant.
The challenge was to find it from the Old Covenant - not a New Covenant comment about the Old Covenant.
It is a challenge. However, in the Tanach (The Law, The Prophets, And Wisdom books); The Lord used real situations with people and other events as typologies to prophecy or typify future events pointing to events concerning Christ such as the resurrection. Thanks for pointing this challenge out, David.
It would boggle the imagination that 40 penman over 1500 plus years could've conspired together to get numerous typologies to line up with the events as described by Maatthew, Mark, Luke, and John
__________________ Quit Walking Around Like a Half Breed Freeman Find Out How
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Pitts
The whole system is based upon a 'presumption' that something was represented to have occurred which may or may not have occurred in the manner which has been represented.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro -Hunter S. Thompson
It is a challenge. However, in the Tanach (The Law, The Prophets, And Wisdom books); The Lord used real situations with people and other events as typologies to prophecy or typify future events pointing to events concerning Christ such as the resurrection. Thanks for pointing this challenge out, David.
It would boggle the imagination that 40 penman over 1500 plus years could've conspired together to get numerous typologies to line up with the events as described by Maatthew, Mark, Luke, and John
Agreed. I call it advanced-resonance inductive plasma physics when applying it through variations of the Spearman-Brown Prophecy Formula for macroeconomic forecasting.*
It seemed exactly what you were trying to say about the Book of Isaiah. The Old Covenant book is exactly verbatim with what people were reading before the Messiah Yehoshuah H'Natzrith (Jesus of Nazareth). Therefore we logically find variations (editing) in the New Covenant (codifications) should there be a passage speaking of the Book of Isaiah saying the Savior [whether Jesus or another man/God] would spend three days in the belly of the earth, like Jonah in a fish - and not find that same reference in the KJV Book of Isaiah.
I recall no reference so if you can direct me to it I will have to reconsider this challenge. I will have to reconsider my entire (current) theology.
Regards,
David Merrill.
* The Key is of course encrypted itself in MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. See Matthew 24:15.
Roger Rusk, brother to former Secretary of State Rusk who decrypted the de jure 13th Amendment in Afroyim v. Rusk with the important word "subsequently never ratified" [into the post-1871 corporate United States Constitution], wrote The Other End of The World; An Alternate Theory Linking Prophecy and History. Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin is equal to 1000, 1000, 20, 500 in gerahs. The subject was gold and gerahs were like carats at that time - a small standard of weight for dealing in precious metals.
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Eze 45:12 And the shekel shall be twenty gerahs: twenty shekels, five and twenty shekels, fifteen shekels, shall be your maneh.
Lev 27:25 And all thy estimations shall be according to the shekel of the sanctuary: twenty gerahs shall be the shekel.
Mene is to weigh out or measure. The Hebrew Alphabet is focused around 500 originally for a numbering system on a logarithmic scale. However the Babylonian Conquest in forming the Jews reshaped the letters and added finals to five letters adding 500, 600, 700, 800 and 900 to complete the numerical system around 1000.
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Asking children to write about the Holy Bible may be a little hilarious:
1. IN THE FIRST BOOK OF THE BIBLE, GUINESSIS. GOD GOT TIRED OF CREATING THE WORLD SO HE TOOK THE SABBATH OFF.
2. ADAM AND EVE WERE CREATED FROM AN APPLE TREE. NOAH'S WIFE WAS JOAN OF ARK. NOAH BUILT AND ARK AND THE ANIMALS CAME ON IN PEARS.
3. LOTS WIFE WAS A PILLAR OF SALT DURING THE DAY, BUT A BALL OF FIRE DURING THE NIGHT.
4. THE JEWS WERE A PROUD PEOPLE AND THROUGHOUT HISTORY THEY HAD TROUBLE WITH UNSYMPATHETIC GENITALS.
5. SAMPSON WAS A STRONGMAN WHO LET HIMSELF BE LED ASTRAY BY A JEZEBEL LIKE DELILAH.
6. SAMSON SLAYED THE PHILISTINES WITH THE AXE OF THE APOSTLES.
7. MOSES LED THE JEWS TO THE RED SEA WHERE THEY MADE UNLEAVENED BREAD WHICH IS BREAD WITHOUT ANY INGREDIENTS .
8, THE EGYPTIANS WERE ALL DROWNED IN THE DESSERT. AFTERWARDS, MOSES WENT UP TO MOUNT CYANIDE TO GET THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.
9. THE FIRST COMMANDMENTS WAS WHEN EVE TOLD ADAM TO EAT THE APPLE.
10. THE SEVENTH COMMANDMENT IS THOU SHALT NOT ADMIT ADULTERY.
11. MOSES DIED BEFORE HE EVER REACHED CANADA. THEN JOSHUA LED THE HEBREWS IN THE BATTLE OF GERITOL.
12. THE GREATEST MIRICLE IN THE BIBLE IS WHEN JOSHUA TOLD HIS SON TO STAND STILL AND HE OBEYED HIM.
13. DAVID WAS A HEBREW KING WHO WAS SKILLED AT PLAYING THE LIAR. HE FOUGHT THE FINKELSTEINS, A RACE OF PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN BIBLICAL TIMES.
14. SOLOMON, ONE OF DAVIDS SONS, HAD 300 WIVES AND 700 PORCUPINES.
15. WHEN MARY HEARD SHE WAS THE MOTHER OF JESUS, SHE SANG THE MAGNA CARTA.
16. WHEN THE THREE WISE GUYS FROM THE EAST SIDE ARRIVED THEY FOUND JESUS IN THE MANAGER.
17. JESUS WAS BORN BECAUSE MARY H AD AN IMMACULATE CONTRAPTION.
18. ST. JOHN THE BLACKSMITH DUMPED WATER ON HIS HEAD.
19. JESUS ENUNCIATED THE GOLDEN RULE, WHICH SAYS TO DO UNTO OTHERS BEFORE THEY DO ONE TO YOU. HE ALSO EXPLAINED A MAN DOTH NOT LIVE BY SWEAT ALONE.
20. IT WAS A MIRICLE WHEN JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD AND MANAGED TO GET THE TOMBSTONE OFF THE ENTRANCE.
21. THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOWED THE LORD WERE CALLED THE 12 DECIBELS.
22. THE EPISTELS WERE THE WIVES OF THE APOSTLES.
23. ONE OF THE OPPOSSUMS WAS ST. MATTHEW WHO WAS ALSO A TAXIMAN.
24. ST. PAUL CAVORTED TO CHRISTIANITY, HE PREACHED HOLY ACRIMONY WHICH IS ANOTHER NAME FOR MARRAIGE.
25. CHRISTIANS HAVE ONLY ONE SPOUSE. THIS IS CALLED MONOTONY
Those are priceless!
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