144,000 Jews will be going to heaven; everyone else is going to hell.

[BoyntonStu]

144,000 Jews will be going to heaven; everyone else is going to hell.

REVELATIONS:

7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

My point is that almost anything may be found in the so called "Bible".

Have fun refuting 'God's' words.

BTW Does the Lake of Fire have surrounding shores with concession stands, etc? Anyone but the 144,000 Jews may be interested.

Greetings BoyntonStu,

I swore as soon as I detected what appears to be your agenda on this site, I would not respond to your posts. However, in light of your most recent query, "I just can't help MY SELF", as the saying goes. You dun went an used the "J" word. Awhh, you shouldn't oughttaa dun thayattt!!! In doing so, You have violated the unwritten code of the Pope, the Vatican, all earthly governments, every attorney and all cops and consequently have provided me with the opportunity to ask the following question. My question to you is, WHICH JEWS do you suppose the book is referring to ... religious Jews or "secular" Jews? Does not the same book say, "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS, AND ARE NOT, BUT DO LIE;"? Gee, what could this be referring to? The answer to that question blows the lid off the whole damn operation, your's included.

I, like many, spent much time searching for evidence of this "ficticious name" theory. And, like many, I could find loads of proof as to how one's proper name is supposed to be spelled. But, of course, I could never find anything iron-clad that proved it was intentional on the part of government. But, then one day, I was reading a book on Judaism, and on page 95, is says the following:

"Outside the State of Israel, Jews name their children two names, one for religious purposes and another for secular purposes".

Absolutely brilliant, it is a separation of church and state, hidden right in one's own name. This method justifies participation in the unlawful practice of usury, provided one operates in that capacity using only their SECULAR name. And further, for that matter, ANY religious law can be nullified and all God given rights surrendered in the name of secular government.

Black's Law Dictionary defines a name as one's Christian name and family surname, but concludes by saying "and description or abbreviation IS NOT THE EQUIVALENT OF A NAME" [all caps emphasis mine]. Of course not, it's your SECULAR name!!!

That is JOHN H DOE, as opposed to "John Henry",which is your Christian name. Now, go check your billing instruments, paper munny? Secular name!!!

Worldwide, people have been duped because they do not know the difference between SECULAR and non-secular.

In Michael Moore's book, "Dude, Where's My Country", on page 18, Moore says of Saudi Arabia, "Some want the country to go the more fundamentalist route. After all, this was Osama's original stated goal. His first beef wasn't with America, it was the way Saudi Arabia was being run ---by Muslims were weren't TRUE Muslims." And on page 57, Moore writes, "...Osama considers Saddam to be an infidel. Hussein committed the sin of creating a SECULAR Iraq ..." [all caps emphasis mine]. But, even Michael dared not use the "J" word, unlike you, Boyntonstu!!!

Sincerely,
truth

[BoyntonStu]

Originally Posted by truth

Greetings BoyntonStu,

I swore as soon as I detected what appears to be your agenda on this site, I would not respond to your posts. However, in light of your most recent query, "I just can't help MY SELF", as the saying goes. You dun went an used the "J" word. Awhh, you shouldn't oughttaa dun thayattt!!! In doing so, You have violated the unwritten code of the Pope, the Vatican, all earthly governments, every attorney and all cops and consequently have provided me with the opportunity to ask the following question. My question to you is, WHICH JEWS do you suppose the book is referring to ... religious Jews or "secular" Jews? Does not the same book say, "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS, AND ARE NOT, BUT DO LIE;"? Gee, what could this be referring to? The answer to that question blows the lid off the whole damn operation, your's included.

I, like many, spent much time searching for evidence of this "ficticious name" theory. And, like many, I could find loads of proof as to how one's proper name is supposed to be spelled. But, of course, I could never find anything iron-clad that proved it was intentional on the part of government. But, then one day, I was reading a book on Judaism, and on page 95, is says the following:

"Outside the State of Israel, Jews name their children two names, one for religious purposes and another for secular purposes".

Absolutely brilliant, it is a separation of church and state, hidden right in one's own name. This method justifies participation in the unlawful practice of usury, provided one operates in that capacity using only their SECULAR name. And further, for that matter, ANY religious law can be nullified and all God given rights surrendered in the name of secular government.

Black's Law Dictionary defines a name as one's Christian name and family surname, but concludes by saying "and description or abbreviation IS NOT THE EQUIVALENT OF A NAME" [all caps emphasis mine]. Of course not, it's your SECULAR name!!!

That is JOHN H DOE, as opposed to "John Henry",which is your Christian name. Now, go check your billing instruments, paper munny? Secular name!!!

Worldwide, people have been duped because they do not know the difference between SECULAR and non-secular.

In Michael Moore's book, "Dude, Where's My Country", on page 18, Moore says of Saudi Arabia, "Some want the country to go the more fundamentalist route. After all, this was Osama's original stated goal. His first beef wasn't with America, it was the way Saudi Arabia was being run ---by Muslims were weren't TRUE Muslims." And on page 57, Moore writes, "...Osama considers Saddam to be an infidel. Hussein committed the sin of creating a SECULAR Iraq ..." [all caps emphasis mine]. But, even Michael dared not use the "J" word, unlike you, Boyntonstu!!!

Sincerely,
truth

Mr. or Mrs. Truth,

What did your post have to do with the quotation from Revelations?

As for Jews, does "the tribes of the children of Israel." pertain to another group?

In any event, will more than 144,000 end up in the air conditioned place?


BoyntonStu

[iamfreeru2]

Quite a few more will end up in the "air conditioned place" as you call it. It is NOT REVELATIONS. It is the book of Revelation. There are not plural revelations, but only one revelation given to John.

[weishaupt1776]

In regards to only 144,000 "making it", are you basing it on the use of the word, "sealed". A yes or no will do

[BoyntonStu]

Originally Posted by iamfreeru2

Quite a few more will end up in the "air conditioned place" as you call it. It is NOT REVELATIONS. It is the book of Revelation. There are not plural revelations, but only one revelation given to John.

I am always amused when I ask a direct question, the response has been to criticise my spelling, etc.

If you want to study a subject, I suggest that you stay on topic.

BoyntonStu

[juststartingout]

One interpretation of the 144,000 is that the 144,000 is referring to DAYS. 144K Days. (The man who reports/interprets this has a very good track record, IMO. I have posted the website here before; direct link to the 144,000 discussion is at http://www.bibletime.com/tool/report/rev7/index.html )

Biblically speaking - we can see throughout the Bible that a seal is something used to sign do***ents. There were 12 Tribes - and the verse you quoted, Boynton, mentions the tribes. 12 into 144,000 is 12,000. 12,000 days for each tribe and a seal would occur in each of those time periods.

i realize i'm stepping out on a limb here jumping in the conversation... but wanted to interject.

[iamfreeru2]

I am staying on topic and it is still Revelation and there will be more than 144,000 in heaven. I would state the same thing to anyone that is mispronouncing a book of the Scriptures. You are taking the Scripture out of context.

What part of answering this: "In any event, will more than 144,000 end up in the air conditioned place?" When I said this: "Quite a few more will end up in the "air conditioned place" as you call it.," was off topic?

[BoyntonStu]

[quote=iamfreeru2][color=DarkGreen][b]I am staying on topic and it is still Revelation and there will be more than 144,000 in heaven. I would state the same thing to anyone that is mispronouncing a book of the Scriptures. You are taking the Scripture out of context.

Scriptures out of context?

7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.


What exactly causes you to conclude a number greater than 144,000?

Boyntonstu

[weishaupt1776]

Stu, In regards to only 144,000 "making it", are you basing it on the use of the word, "sealed". A yes or no will do.
If no, then are you implying that there are no other verses which would indicate that there are others in the A.C. PRIOR to the 144G's?

Does the actual language of that verse describe a quantifiable exclusion of everyone OTHER THAN JUST the 144g's?

If so, please explain which words, phrases, devices in those verses make the 144G's exclusive.