Credit Card Church Donations

[weishaupt1776]

The administrators for a church building in which I dwell are considering having people donate w/ credit cards.

Guys, I am totally new at getting this banking thing straight.

I need help preparing my pastor a letter.

I need the actual Law-Reference or Federal reserve Publication cites, etc . . . to explain how the Credit/Debt system works in order to prepare a sound position.

I am not trying to stop anything, but merely standing my ground, and for those that say "They aren't going to listen to you", OR "you ned to get out of that church" etc . . can take a hike. I believe that this is a unique opportunity to educate

Please help me w/ the logic here:

NATURAL REALM:

The Credit Card Company takes your transaction and gets paid via Fed wire

TRUE OR FALSE. IF TRUE REFERNCES PLEASE.

The Fed has to print up more FRNS because you created it by using the card.

T OR F. IF T - references please

THE FED is a privatized ORG. owned by private Banking institutions

T OR F. IF T - references

Because the FED has to print up more FRNS, and because they are for profit, they charge the gov interest & more than the face value to print them up, which then gets passed on via the income tax.

T OR F. IF T, references please

The inerest charge on the credit card creates more debt, because more FRNS are now being spent and the FED now has to print more up.


Spiritual Realm:

The faulty logic of the church is that they are asking people to give what they don't have and that is contrary to the story of the poor lady who gave her last coin. She didn't do that on credit.

Verses regarding being surety or how debt is a sin, etc . .

Anyone who does not wish to contribute to this letter, please don't post

[dashboy]

This is exactly why I stopped going to church! Nor have I been able to find one who will stand on the complete biblical principles the Father ordained! I certainly miss the fellowship but I can not stand by and watch fellow brothers and sisters die for lack of knowledge! Give me a couple days and I will get you what you need! Also keep me in your prayers, I got non-binding mediation today!

dashboy~

[weaponx71]

If its a CC transaction, and I would be the donation will go directly to the Church's account. NO FRN's will be made. Its all electronic. Just about every transaction now all goes to electronic funds. You pay by check, that check gets digitized and transfers are made electronically.

The CC company will charge the Church an fee for each transaction. I know a couple of smaller mechanic shops around here that WONT take CC's just because they dont want to pay the fee for each transaction.

The FED still controls the flow of transfers.

I use to work for a company that intalls payment processing machines and systems for banks, lockvaults and utilitie companies.

I can truely see an end of actually printing money now. Maybe to replace old worn out bills. But everything else is going electronic.

[Livefire]

2 Timothy 2:4
No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.


Weis,

This isnt in depth or anything, nonetheless it strikes at the heart of the issue. I dont think your pastor or the leadership will understand the nuances of our fiat money system. They see this as a convienience to the flock and their bookkeeper. It would take a great deal of time on your part to prepare a position paper on how our financial system came to be and the anti-christ system that is behind it. If you do wish to pursue this route, Tom Schauf has a link on his site www.bankhonesty.com for ministers to read. A good place to start!

You might attack the problem by addressing the abominable nexus between chuch and state strengthened by using Babylon's credit system to enrich church coffers!!! Peter Kershaw hits the nail on the head and I know you are familiar with his teachings. This is why I typed that verse above....we become entangled in BB's info web when we use the system. The alphabet soup gang just loves us making it easier for them to track personal and church assets and if we dont watch it, all of us will loose our "ass-ets"!!!!

In closing the apostle Paul said , owe no man nothing save to love him! Adivce we should all follow!

Peace!

[weishaupt1776]

I really appreciate the info, guys. Thanks for the input and the heart to post

[iamfreeru2]

Weis,

Start with the principle. Romans 13:8 "Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another." A Pastor that truly wants to follow YHWH will not allow his sheep to go into debt to give an offering. This is not good stewardship. Scripture will never condone going into debt to give an offering to the local church. If the Pastor of the church you attend is seriously considering this, ask him who he follows, YHWH or Satan. There are many references in Scripture to the tithe and it being 10% of your increase, not 10% of a debt. You only need to show what Scripture says to a Pastor that has a heart after YHWH. YHWH's law is real law and not fiction (man's statutes). Remember what Joshua 1:8 says: "This book of the "LAW" shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it; for then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have success." Any Pastor that does not follow this teaching is asking for trouble and will find it.