Drob's Question

Posted by Drob in another forum (I thought it belonged here instead)
whom did GOD create in his image?
Who created Government and its rules?

IMHO God, our Creator, created everything in this amazing universe in his/her/its image. The entire universe IS the Creator's image.

And, also IMHO, human beings created and conceived of all governments and all of their rules - regardless of which 'god(s)' they historically claim inspired them to do so.

[BoyntonStu]

Originally Posted by Heidi Guedel

IMHO God, our Creator, created everything in this amazing universe in his/her/its image. The entire universe IS the Creator's image.

And, also IMHO, human beings created and conceived of all governments and all of their rules - regardless of which 'god(s)' they historically claim inspired them to do so.

Perhaps man created God in his own image?

Or, the Jews created God and the Christians took them too seriously?

BoyntonStu

BoyntonStu posted:
Perhaps man created God in his own image?

I agree with you there, Stu, in the sense that I believe a majority of humans, in their attempt to comprehend the intelligence that they have observed to be evident in the design of everything around us, have projected a certain arrogance into their image of the Creator. I believe we recognize our own exceptional intellectual and creative capacities in comparison to the other living creatures, and that some of us do tend to project that onto our concept of "god" ... then assume that we must've been created by that god in "his" own image.

That whole - "we know who "god" really is and we are the ONLY ones who are the chosen ones of that god and our writings are the only ones that are really inspired by that god" - philosophy reflects a very human clannishness and tribalism and ... yes, arrogance, I'm afraid.

The artist Ron Cobb drew a scathingly funny cartoon years ago depicting two advancing armies headed straight for each other... each with the same thought balloon overhead: "God is on our side". I think that about sums it up for me!

BoyntonStu posted:
Or, the Jews created God and the Christians took them too seriously.

LOL. Funny and insightful at the same time, Stu. LOL (albeit 'gallows laughter'...).

I'll add to that comment the fact that belief in "the God of Abraham" is the genesis of both Islam and Judiasm (followed by Christianity) and that various combinations of two out of three of those religious groups have repeatedly sought to murder each other over the right to claim "the God of Abraham" as their own, exclusive, intellectual and spiritual property ever since! And leave us not forget the murder and mayhem perpetrated among the historically warring segments of just the Christian faith! Protestants and Catholics have engaged in an horrific mutual blood bath for centuries... seemingly ignoring the example of Jesus who preached turning the other cheek and treating one's neighbor as one would like himself to be treated! If 'god' created humans in 'his' image, it was a huge mistake.

Have you ever read Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein"? Forget the stupid motion pictures that have never done this brilliantly-written story justice. I believe that book is a parable about 'creation' and 'creator'... especially in the sense that having created a living being with its own free will, its helpless 'creator' looks on in horror at the unanticipated destruction his creation is causing, regrets ever having created it in the first place, and thereafter vainly attempts to destroy it.

[BoyntonStu]

Originally Posted by Heidi Guedel

I agree with you there, Stu, in the sense that I believe a majority of humans, in their attempt to comprehend the intelligence that they have observed to be evident in the design of everything around us, have projected a certain arrogance into their image of the Creator. I believe we recognize our own exceptional intellectual and creative capacities in comparison to the other living creatures, and that some of us do tend to project that onto our concept of "god" ... then assume that we must've been created by that god in "his" own image.

That whole - "we know who "god" really is and we are the ONLY ones who are the chosen ones of that god and our writings are the only ones that are really inspired by that god" - philosophy reflects a very human clannishness and tribalism and ... yes, arrogance, I'm afraid.

The artist Ron Cobb drew a scathingly funny cartoon years ago depicting two advancing armies headed straight for each other... each with the same thought balloon overhead: "God is on our side". I think that about sums it up for me!



LOL. Funny and insightful at the same time, Stu. LOL (albeit 'gallows laughter'...).

I'll add to that comment the fact that belief in "the God of Abraham" is the genesis of both Islam and Judiasm (followed by Christianity) and that various combinations of two out of three of those religious groups have repeatedly sought to murder each other over the right to claim "the God of Abraham" as their own, exclusive, intellectual and spiritual property ever since! And leave us not forget the murder and mayhem perpetrated among the historically warring segments of just the Christian faith! Protestants and Catholics have engaged in an horrific mutual blood bath for centuries... seemingly ignoring the example of Jesus who preached turning the other cheek and treating one's neighbor as one would like himself to be treated! If 'god' created humans in 'his' image, it was a huge mistake.

Have you ever read Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein"? Forget the stupid motion pictures that have never done this brilliantly-written story justice. I believe that book is a parable about 'creation' and 'creator'... especially in the sense that having created a living being with its own free will, its helpless 'creator' looks on in horror at the unanticipated destruction his creation is causing, regrets ever having created it in the first place, and thereafter vainly attempts to destroy it.

Heidi,

We are on the same page.

You are an animated person, congratulations!


The close-minded would not understand.

Originally Posted by Heidi Guedel

IMHO God, our Creator, created everything in this amazing universe in his/her/its image. The entire universe IS the Creator's image.

And, also IMHO, human beings created and conceived of all governments and all of their rules - regardless of which 'god(s)' they historically claim inspired them to do so.

What did God say He created in His image?

Do you have facts to back up your "opinion"?

Bob

[BoyntonStu]

Originally Posted by Mr. Incredible

What did God say He created in His image?

Do you have facts to back up your "opinion"?

Bob

Genesis 5:1 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)


Genesis 5
1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

[kry]

Originally Posted by BoyntonStu

Genesis 5:1 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)


Genesis 5
1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

Funny, in my own version, it doesn't say that! King James has it all wrong! ;)

Ok, jokes aside, that's a fact for who? The believers or the infidels? ;)

[BoyntonStu]

Originally Posted by kry

Funny, in my own version, it doesn't say that! King James has it all wrong! ;)

Ok, jokes aside, that's a fact for who? The believers or the infidels? ;)

First. believers are not interested in 'facts' based on reality.

The quote is to prove the 'fact' that a statement was made in a book that believers take as 'truth'.

If, for example, I quoted a line from the Bard indicating what Macbeth 'said', that 'fact' would be only true with respect to a fictional story.

If you consider "The" Bible as a novel, my fact is correct; at least for that version.

I was also pointing out the fact that this believer had not read his own novel.

Are you with me?

Originally Posted by BoyntonStu

First. believers are not interested in 'facts' based on reality.

The quote is to prove the 'fact' that a statement was made in a book that believers take as 'truth'.

If, for example, I quoted a line from the Bard indicating what Macbeth 'said', that 'fact' would be only true with respect to a fictional story.

If you consider "The" Bible as a novel, my fact is correct; at least for that version.

I was also pointing out the fact that this believer had not read his own novel.

Are you with me?

I, for one, am with you.

If it suits you, then you ask for proof and evidence, and act as if the world must bow to your whims on proof, however, if YOU are asked for proof and evidence, you say "No [sic] worth my time." You cannot put out what you demand. Your actions evoke a motive that is not honorable. You lost on HB's thread to you, in that you left, and then you started your own thread to HB, and you left that one too, when the heat got too high.

C'mon BoyntonStu. What do you believe?

See below:

Originally Posted by BoyntonStu

Going around in circles is not my idea of learning.

When I ask what was the sacrifice of Jesus and he, a so called Believer says, Jesus? The Mexican?

I say forget it.

No worth my time.

If you have something to say, say it.

BoyntonStu

What did God say He created in His image?

I don't think we have any evidence whatsoever that 'god' has 'said' anything at all... at least not in terms of any written words. God is only "quoted" in religious books, like the Bible. I have read none of the other "holy" books that the other world religions place their faith(s) in... but I'll bet they also attempt to quote "god" in their holy books. Common sense tells me that all such books were written by mere human beings ... and when they do write such things as "man was created in god's image" I find it embarrassingly arrogant... and as such, all too human.

Do you have facts to back up your "opinion"?

I believe my opinion that all of the books on planet Earth have actually been written by various and sundry human beings is a rather easily-proven fact. I dare say that it cannot be disproven.

Various people throughout history have claimed that they were inspired by 'god' to do a variety of things, both literary and otherwise... but we have only their word for that, don't we?