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Old 07-13-2005, 06:53 AM
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Jesus and circumcision was right!

Circumcision may offer Africa AIDS hope
Procedure linked to much lower rate of new HIV infections
- Sabin Russell, Chronicle Medical Writer
Wednesday, July 6, 2005


French and South African AIDS researchers have called an early halt to a study of adult male circumcision to reduce HIV infection after initial results reportedly showed that men who had the procedure dramatically lowered their risk of contracting the virus.

The study's preliminary results, disclosed Tuesday by the Wall Street Journal, showed that circumcision reduced the risk of contracting HIV by 70 percent -- a level of protection far better than the 30 percent risk reduction set as a target for an AIDS vaccine.

According to the newspaper account, the study under way in Orange Farm township, South Africa, was stopped because the results were so favorable. It was deemed unethical to continue the trial after an early peek at data showed that the uncircumcised men were so much more likely to become infected.

All of the men in the study had been followed for a year, and half the men had been followed for the full 21 months called for in the original study design, according to the Wall Street Journal, which obtained a draft copy of the study.

Begun in August 2002, the experiment is one of three closely watched clinical trials in Africa to determine whether there is scientific merit to nearly three dozen less rigorously controlled studies showing that circumcised men were much less likely to become HIV-positive.

The hope is that, lacking a vaccine, the nearly 5 million new HIV infections occurring each year could be slowed by circumcision, the surgical removal of the foreskin -- a simple, low-cost and permanent medical intervention that is a common but controversial cultural practice in much of the world. In Africa, about 70 percent of men are circumcised at birth or during rite-of-passage ceremonies in early puberty.

Medical anthropologists began noticing as early as 1989 that the highest rates of HIV infection in Africa were occurring in regions of the continent where the predominant tribal or religious cultures did not practice circumcision. Adult HIV infection rates above 30 percent are found in Zimbabwe, Botswana, Swaziland and eastern South Africa, where circumcision is not practiced; yet HIV infection rates remain below 5 percent in West Africa and other parts of the continent where circumcision is commonplace.

Laboratory studies have found that the foreskin is rich in white blood cells, which are favored targets of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. So the theory is that men who are uncircumcised are much more likely to contract the virus during sex with an infected woman, and that the epidemic spreads when these newly infected men have sex with other women within their network of sexual partners.

The lead investigators of the study, Dr. Bertran Auvert of the University of Paris and Adrian Puren of South Africa's National Institute for Communicable Diseases, are not talking. The results were expected to be discussed at an AIDS conference in Rio de Janeiro in three weeks. But word about the findings has been circulating among researchers searching for ways to slow the epidemic.

"I would be thrilled if it works, but we will also need the results of other trials,'' said Johns Hopkins University epidemiologist Ronald Gray, who is conducting, in Uganda, one of two other controlled clinical trials of male circumcision.

Gray's trial, which has completed enrollment of 5,000 men in the Rakai district of Uganda, is not scheduled to end until 2007.

A third trial, under way in Kisumu, Kenya, is still enrolling its quota of 2,700 volunteers and is also expected to be completed in 2007, according to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which is sponsoring it.

All three trials were designed to compare the HIV infection rates of two groups of HIV-negative men, one-half of whom would agree to be circumcised, the other to be offered only counseling on AIDS prevention. The studies were designed to show whether or not circumcision provided a statistically significant protective effect of at least 50 percent.

The South African study -- if the results are confirmed -- suggests that the level of protection afforded is even higher.

Although the apparent protective effect of circumcision has been noted for more than 20 years, doubts linger as to whether circumcision itself is protective, or whether the lower risk may be the result of cultural practices among those who circumcise. HIV rates are low in Muslim communities, for example, which practice male circumcision but also engage in ritual washing before sex and frown on promiscuity.

E-mail Sabin Russell at srussell@sfchronicle.com.
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Old 07-13-2005, 07:25 AM
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My Goodness!!!

What ELSE might Jesus the Messiah be right about!!??
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Old 07-13-2005, 08:40 AM
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Are you just reposting a story, or do you have firsthand knowledge that this is correct?

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Old 07-13-2005, 10:26 AM
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My Goodness!!!

What ELSE might Jesus the Messiah be right about!!??


Being Jewish?
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Old 07-13-2005, 05:13 PM
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Yes Stu...that and much more! For instance the Law commanded circumcision on the 8th day after birth....Guess what!!! Vitamin K (an anti-coagulant) levels happen to be elevated on that day in a male infant (absolute fact). That is prima facie evidence that Law was based on Someone who had first hand knowledge of blood chemistry.....probably because He created it into being. No technology existed for any civilization to test for such a thing at that time!

Note to Mr. Incredible: Dunno about firsthand knowledge about that AIDS story, but we have firsthand knowledge and prima facie evidence from BS' posts that he is a flower........

BLOOMIN' IDIOT THAT IS! LOL

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Old 07-13-2005, 07:18 PM
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[quote=Livefire]Yes Stu...that and much more! For instance the Law commanded circumcision on the 8th day after birth....Guess what!!! Vitamin K (an anti-coagulant) levels happen to be elevated on that day in a male infant (absolute fact). That is prima facie evidence that Law was based on Someone who had first hand knowledge of blood chemistry.....probably because He created it into being. No technology existed for any civilization to test for such a thing at that time!

Are you under the Law?
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Old 07-13-2005, 07:38 PM
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Im under the One who fulfilled that Law and set me free from the curse thereof....I choose to be a fool as it were for Christ's sake....Stu, who's fool are you?? Everybody plays the fool....no exceptions to the rule!
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Old 07-13-2005, 08:37 PM
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Im under the One who fulfilled that Law and set me free from the curse thereof....I choose to be a fool as it were for Christ's sake....Stu, who's fool are you?? Everybody plays the fool....no exceptions to the rule!

Free from the Law that orders good things that protect your health?

And this Law is cursed?

Wow! That is interesting logic.
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Old 07-13-2005, 10:16 PM
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Interesting discussion.

It has been discovered that the time of circumcision mandated in the Word is, coincidentally, medically the absolute optimum time for a child to physically undergo the procedure.

But the Word also states all are welcome and may "come as they are". The plagues of man begin in man's heart.

Ask yourself, would aids be so prevalent if man's heart was inclined to keep sex within the confines of a "married" state?

And again, since we know that man's heart has a tendency towards immediate sexual gratification, regardless of a "married" state... ask yourself: how much longer will it be before aids makes it near impossible to find a partner not afflicted with the disease?

Just my 2 cents.

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Old 07-13-2005, 11:10 PM
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Your ignorance and inability to correctly read what I posted floors me, Stu.
The Law is pure, holy and just and the PENALTY for violating it is the curse that hangs, like a sword of Damocles, over the heads of those who cannot fulfill ALL of its obligations. And that good sir be ALL who have live or ever shall live on this planet. The word holy in the Hebrew language has a double meaning....one being separated....second one being accursed. So if you misappropriate that which is holy it brings on a curse....Go read the story of Achan in the book of Joshua for an example. He coveted that which was separated unto God as the spoils of war and paid the ultimate price! There is only One Being the Universe that is able to stand between the Urim and Thumim (Lights and Perfection) and that is Yeshua Ha Meschiach, in that He paid the debt incurred by humanity to the Law with the REALITY OF SUBSTANCE through his life, death, and resurrection. History has established the reality of Jesus of Nazareth, and my life experience proves that He is alive and well and active in the affairs of men.

If you state that circumcision was correct, then you also have to assent to the fact that blood covenant between Abraham and God was correct as well....When Abraham split the sacrifice and God walked between the parts back in the book of Genesis, God Himself became the surety for said covenant. According to the custom of that day, the party that walked between such a sacrifice consented to be slain themselves should either party violate the terms of that covenant. Got a news flash for ya Stu, God is faithful and just and keeps His promises.....good old Abe and his descendants were the ones to fail!!! God Himself had to be torn asunder to fulfill the terms of the agreement. The currency of that transaction was blood. The only One who claimed to come to settle that blood debt was Yeshua. His resurrection and ascension was the Father's seal of acceptance of the consideration tendered towards said contract. I also find it interesting that Abraham came from the land where commerce originted (Ur of the Chaldees)

Its also really funny you mention the connection between circumcision and AIDS, because you need to be circumsized in the very intimate place of your heart to stop the spread of a spiritual deficiency syndrome that poisons your soul and eats away at it much like those strange cancers that affect AIDS patients. Your posts are prima facie evidence of that too.
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